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After performing some testing, this is what I have learned:

MapInstall 4.0.4 will work fine with BaseCamp 4.7 installed. It just needs to be installed after BaseCamp 4.7 because...

BaseCamp 4.7 installs MapInstall 4.2.  It doesn't update the Windows program list with uninstaller details for MapInstall 4.2. The only way to get rid of 4.2 is to delete the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Garmin\MapInstall" directory. (The BaseCamp 4.7 installer doesn't update any registry information for MapInstall 4.2).

MapInstall 4.2 standalone installer does update the Windows program list with uninstaller details BUT it does not delete any files when the uninstaller is run. You must run the uninstaller to remove registry details then manually delete the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Garmin\MapInstall" directory. If you only delete the directory, the 4.0.4 installer throws an error when it sees the 4.2 registry values.

To roll back to 4.0.4 from 4.2:
1) Open the Windows program list and look for Garmin MapInstall 4.2. If it's there, run the uninstaller.
2) Delete the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Garmin\MapInstall" directory.
3) Run MapInstall 4.0.4 installer.

Everybody impacted by this issue should submit a support request to Garmin. They aren't going to fix it unless customers demand it.


The problem doesn't exist on Mac. I had my friend test it with the updated versions of BaseCamp and MapInstall/MapManager.

On May 22/23, Garmin released updates for Basecamp and MapInstall. Thereís a bug in the new software that prevents third party maps from being installed.  It wasnít intentional, they just didnít test for it.

The solution is to uninstall Basecamp 4.7 and MapInstall 4.2, then install a previous version of the apps. Both apps need to be uninstalled. If you update to BaseCamp 4.7, it breaks the older version of MapInstall.

After you install MapInstall, you need to turn off automatic updates.

BaseCamp 4.2.5 can be downloaded from Garmin here https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=7161.
I couldn't find a download page for 4.6.2 or an older version of MapInstall. I have version 4.0.4 and it worked for me.  Does anybody know where they can be downloaded from?

It's a map that I created using a licensed copy of Cgpsmapper. I've got at least 1,000 people using it and this is the first compatibility issue I've hit. Everything else installed via USB cable.

I have a Nuvi 50. If I install the map onto an SD card without the GPS attached, it makes \Garmin\gmapsupp.img. The Nuvi 50 displays the map but doesn't apply the custom TYP file.

The GPSMAP 7607 doesn't see the map when it's \Garmin\gmapsupp.img. I'll try the Map directory. I was hoping that there was some sort of signature file to get MapInstall to install the map in the format expected by the GPS. It's a new GPS so I would expect it to use the map name as the file name.

Thanks for the input.

How do you install a custom map onto a Garmin GPS that doesn't have a USB port?

A GPSMAP 7607 has an SD card slot but no USB. If MapInstall is used to install a map into an SD card, it puts the map into the Garmin directory with GMAPSUPP.IMG as the name. The 7607 doesn't recognize the file. I think it needs to go into the Map directory with the name of the map as the file name. Is there a way to make MapInstall use the new format when installing to an SD card?

Thanks in advance.

Map Making Support / Re: Map name displayed for split maps
« on: April 25, 2016, 05:30:35 PM »
The screenshot shows how the names are being displayed on a GPS. All of the names with commas are split maps. H-12-B, I-10-009, etc are the split file names instead of the map name.

I think popej is right in that it's a name invented by MapInstall.

It looks like IMGname will resolve the problem on a one by one basis.

Thanks to both of you.

Map Making Support / Map name displayed for split maps
« on: April 25, 2016, 10:27:33 AM »
Some GPS receivers display the names of the split map files instead of the parent map. If the map isn't split, it displays the name correctly. Is there any way to fix this?

Map Making Support / Re: Downloading NED in GeoTiff format
« on: September 15, 2015, 08:50:03 AM »
More info...
The datasets in the National Viewer are 1x1 degree so they're twice the size as the files from the Seamless Server. When I performed a search, I selected a 1x1 degree index but the results display files for adjacent areas so it looks like multiple files are needed for the selected area.

The data from the seamless server had small gaps between the files. The data from the National Viewer slightly exceeds the bounds so you end up with overlap unless you trim before merging.

I sent an email to the USGS about the seamless server and they responded with this URL: http://www.mrlc.gov/viewerjs/
Data \ Download Tool provides the same functionality as the old Seamless Server.

The links in the state spreadsheets will work if you change the URL from extract.cr.usgs.gov to landfire.cr.usgs.gov.

Map Making Support / Re: Downloading NED in GeoTiff format
« on: September 12, 2015, 05:26:14 PM »
The link that they email is a static link to an FTP server. You can browse the directory and get what you want if you remove the zip file name. It's a lot easier than going through the map viewer UI.

I used the Seamless Server within the last year. The larger files are a lot easier to work with. I should have downloaded more when I had the chance.

Map Making Support / Downloading NED in GeoTiff format
« on: September 11, 2015, 08:50:33 PM »
I can no longer download GeoTiff NED data using the "National Map Seamless Server"(links from the California.xls file):

I've been trying randomly over the last several weeks. It always says that there are 2 or more requests ahead of me and times out before finishing. I have a feeling that the service has been shut down and no longer available. Does anybody have any insight?

I need the GeoTiffs for Dem2Topo. Is the only option to convert ArcGrid to GeoTiff? Are there any other ways to get the GeoTiff data? I downloaded some ArcGrid files from the National Viewer and the files cover 1/4 of the area. I really prefer the larger files.


General Discussion / Re: Android tablets
« on: May 08, 2015, 09:22:56 AM »
I have a Garmin map that I convert to MBTiles for use on Android and Apple devices. MBTiles is a raster map so the files are large. The conversion process was actually really easy. ESRI shapefiles are exported out of of GPSMapEdit then used in TileMill as the source data. TileMill uses CartoCSS file for styling the map. It's similar to CSS but it has conditional logic. You write IF statements that reference the fields in your ESRI data.  The fields are the data from the MP file like Type, Label, EndLevel. I had to convert the POI icons and backgrounds in my TYP file to PNG then reference them in the css.  Line styles are defined in the css and there's a lot of control for styles like opacity. There's zoom value in the css that you map to EndLevel to control when elements are displayed.

I was planning on converting to TileMill's vector map but it won't work offline. OSM vector appears to be the only offline vector option. I'm expecting the conversion to be similar where the data and styles are migrated separately. The data conversion being performed programmatically and the style conversion being a manual effort.

It seems like ESRI shapefiles would be the most likely format for conversion to OSM. I was able to get Gdal and ogr2Osm working on Windows using these steps:

The only way I could get the versions to agree was to use Phython 2.7.9. Make sure you get the right version of Gdal and Python if you're got an amd processor.

I ran Ogr2Osm on a 120mb Esri shapefile of my roads. It took up 8gb of ram which the amount of physical memory that I've got installed. It ran for a few hours and appeared to be working but I killed the process because I needed to use my computer. I'm going to let it run tonight and see what happens.

Is the OSM output xml or binary? I've got topo data that I want to convert and the shape files are over 1 gb. If it's xml then the file size will be huge.

Is the esri shapefile data supposed to be prepared in some way before converting to osm? How does it get converted to pbf?

How are OSM maps styled?

Thanks for any help that you can provide!

Map Making Support / Re: gmapsupp.img vs cgpsmapper img
« on: April 16, 2015, 06:38:37 PM »
It appears that in vehicle GPS systems don't attach as a slave like portable units. The car has a USB slot that is used for music and updating the navigation system. The procedure to update the oem map is to place gmapprom.img in a Garmin directory of a USB stick. When you insert the stick, it prompts to copy the update to the system. I don't know if it's possible to attach to the drive directly. I'm going to try a gmapsupp.img file in the Garmin directory to see if it will install.

Map Making Support / Re: gmapsupp.img vs cgpsmapper img
« on: April 16, 2015, 11:34:22 AM »
Thanks. That helps a lot.

I'm asking because I'm going to try to load a map onto an OEM navigation system that uses a Garmin GPS. I'm going to use MapInstall to load it onto a standard GPS then I'll use the gmapsupp.img that it creates.

I have a feeling that they disabled the ability to load supplement maps but it's worth a try.

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