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I don't think you can do anything about that. The whole situation is very annoying.  >:(

Are you using the newest version of Basecamp/MapInstall on Windows? If so, that is likely the problem. This version will not properly install most of the maps from GPSFileDepot. It has been discussed extensively here, and Garmin has discontinued Basecamp development, so the problem will never be fixed.

See this thread for more information and solutions: https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4539.0

Map Making Support / Re: Making new map from custom kmz maps and tracks
« on: September 23, 2019, 04:20:51 AM »
Unfortunately your options are very limited on the Mac. I have used Macs as my primary computers since 1985, and I'm a moderator at MacRumors.com. But when it's time to make maps.... I fire up the Windows PC.  :) "Back in the day", I used Virtual PC on my Mac to run Windows software, but that left a lot to be desired in terms of performance so I eventually got a dedicated system. With today's faster Macs, that might be less of a problem.

I believe that there are OpenStreetMap tools that are Java-based and work on Macs the same as Windows, but have never spent any time with those.

Making transparent overlays is trivial, it's just a matter of setting a map property and really has nothing to do with the way you make the map. It can easily be done with gmaptool or MapsetToolkit on Windows. But, IIRC, Mapwel also gives you that option.

Map Making Support / Re: Making new map from custom kmz maps and tracks
« on: September 21, 2019, 04:09:30 AM »
imgfromgpx may do what you want, it converts .gpx files to simple Garmin .img files (maps). There's another, similar program called gpx2img (I think).

Making a more complex map involves a learning curve, and can be done with free or commercial software. There are comprehensive tutorials here on the site. A simpler option is a program called MapWel: http://www.mapwel.net

It has a free demo but you must pay for the fully functional version. Its (arguably) the most user-friendly way to make Garmin maps and it can do everything, as opposed to other solutions that require multiple programs.

General Discussion / Re: View a topo map in another state?
« on: September 19, 2019, 07:38:24 AM »
Just read the thread in the link I posted. It explains how you can either downgrade to an earlier version of MapInstall or use Garmin's older Mapsource software.

Garmin screwed up here, but GPSFileDepot is not without fault either. Members here stubbornly used Garmin's old registry-based map format which has a variety of issues and has caused a lot of grief for users over the years. Garmin's newer gmap format avoids all these problems, and I have urged other mapmakers to switch to it for years, with no luck. The recently-revised map-making tutorial on this site still uses the old registry format in fact.

But... "it is what it is". So, you have four options:

1. Purchase a Garmin topo map, which includes tech support and is guarnteed to work
2. Find a third party map that uses the newer gmap format
3. Downgrade to an old version of Basecamp/MapInstall
4. Use Garmin's old Mapsource software.

Most people will probably go for option 3 or 4.

@ jolly47roger - I have enjoyed our discussions and am very impressed by your maps and software. But that response is misleading and not very helpful. I don't use BobT's maps, but they are popular, he has a presence in the forums here and has been happy to help users with issues.

@ jonemiles - I think BobT's maps work on Backcountry Navigator, these are not Garmin format maps. A quick search of the site for "BobT" will probably answer any questions, or contact him directly if you're still having problems. See this for starters:


or this:


.kmz files are actually "containers" that can hold many different types of data. So your file could be almost anything and you haven't given us enough information for a proper answer.

But a common use for .kmz files is Garmin "custom maps" which are scanned images of paper maps or aerial imagery. If that is what you're trying to use, forget it. That kind of map just isn't compatible with an old device like the 60csx.

Now a .kmz file might also contain waypoints or tracks, and those should work on the 60csx.

General Discussion / Re: View a topo map in another state?
« on: August 25, 2019, 04:09:30 AM »
How did you install the map on the GPS? If you used the current version of Basecamp/MapInstall, that is likely to be the the problem. The Windows version of this software doesn't work properly with most maps on this site. See this thread: https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4539.0

A variety of other things might also cause it, but this is the most likely cause and it's been a problem for just about everyone who uses the maps from GPSFileDepot.

Map Making Support / Re: Having Issues with Compiling
« on: August 21, 2019, 03:24:51 PM »
FWIW, it typically takes me from 30 to 60 seconds to compile .img files in the 2MB - 3MB size range. Sometimes they might take a little longer, but I make very complex maps. I am using a dual core core i5 3.4ghz 8gb PC running Windows 7.

Had just a quick look at Oz's tutorial, and it seems that he uses tiles based on USGS 100k topo maps. My own maps tiles are generally based on USGS 7.5 minute quad boundaries, but my maps mostly cover smaller areas and have high detail.

Map Making Support / Re: Having Issues with Compiling
« on: August 21, 2019, 02:52:20 AM »
That is true, but it still works just fine and I don't think the fact that it's been discontinued is relevant to the OP's problem. This sounds like something specific to the tutorials that Oz has created, and I've never used those myself so I can't help.

FWIW, I just received a PM a few days ago from somebody who was having cgpsmapper issues. He contacted Stan (the cgpsmapper author) and actually received a helpful response. So, even though the software is no longer under development there's evidently still some level of "support". :)

Glad you finally got it working. FWIW, there was no reason to uninstall Mapsource. That program was discontinued long ago and it still works fine.

Garmin is transitioning to "Garmin Explore" which is web-based software for managing its devices and your GPSMap 66 is one of the new models that support this new system.

Was just reading a review of the new Garmin Overlander that uses the new "Explore" site.... if you use this, make sure you have good local backups of your important data!  ;)


"While track and waypoint syncing is supposed to be a highlight of this system it did not work for us. After multiple attempts and even creating a new account in an attempt to get our data to sync… it lost our tracks from the past 2 months… all of them. "

I think the options are very different in the EU. Check Garmin's site in your country to find out what map is included. It may be a "topoactive" map (or something like that) which is pretty new and I don't know if they are routable. The 24k topo maps are US products (named after USGS 24k maps, although they are actually completely different) so you won't have those available. In the EU, OpenStreetMap is popular. Not so impressed with it here in the US personally. But their maps are free and they are routable. See this:


You'll have to check your device specs to see how many points can be included in a route. This gets confusing, with different specs for different models. But you may run out of points if you're creating complicated routes.

Garmin handhelds also have something called "track navigation" where a track can be treated like a route. This would let you create something more complex, although I've never used that feature myself. Tracks can typically have 10,000 points, routes are probably something like 100 points.

Enjoy the new GPS!

Your GPS will have Garmin's 100k topo pre-loaded. This map is not routable, and is not very highly regarded by most people. That being said, it certainly has its uses. The advantage is that you get coverage for the entire US and it's always available without installing anything else.

Yes, "routable" means that the map supports turn by turn navigation. Maps have to be made in a special way to support this. The 100k topo, and almost all maps on this site, are not routable. That means it will show your position on the screen but there's not data about the roads that can be used to generate a route with turn by turn directions.

Garmin's 24k topo maps are completely different, they contain the same routable roads as City Navigator. But each map only covers a few states and it's expensive.

On a simpler level, you can create routes on any map that will send you in a straight line between points that you choose. Garmin calls this "direct routing". When I mentioned "user data", I'm talking about points that you create (waypoints), tracks that you record (showing where you've been) and routes that you create. This data is completely separate from the map and can actually be used without any map at all.

I don't think qGIS will do much for you. It is GIS software that is better suited for more advanced uses, such as working with shapefiles and raster imagery. It certainly could have its place in a map-making workflow, but since you describe yourself as a "complete newbie", iMO... it's not for you. Garmin devices are consumer products that are intended to be used with consumer-level software. qGiIS is certainly not the right software for creating and managing routes. And qGIS cannot manage Garmin maps.

On the Mac, I think Basecamp is pretty much your only option. In order to use routes, you will need a map installed on the GPS that supports routing. Almost none of the maps on this site are capable of that. Garmin City Navigator is the standard map for routing, but Garmin's 24k topo maps are also routable. Both of these options are rather expensive. To create routes, you will need the same map installed on both your computer and GPS for the best results.

Looking at your post again... it looks like you aren't quite clear on the difference between "maps" and "routes". I think you are really just interested in routes, POI's and tracks. These are considered "user data" and maps are like "system data". Basecamp is a program for managing your user data.

Basecamp does seem to be at the end of its life (although Garmin has sent some confusing signals). The current Windows version has an issue that makes it incompatible with many (if not most) of the maps on this site because it doesn't work with registry-based maps. This is not an issue with the Mac version of Basecamp, because registry-based maps were never compatible with the Mac. :)

Garmin is transitioning to "Garmin Explore" which is web-based software for managing its devices and your GPSMap 66 is one of the new models that support this new system. I have no experience with this, and don't have a compatible device. But that is clearly their future, so you should probably check it out. In the future, it may be all you need.

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