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If you are using the current version of Basecamp/MapInstall for Windows, then that might be your problem. It is broken and cannot send 3rd party maps to your GPS. When you send the map, everything seems to be fine, but then you will not be able to see it (or it won't work properly) on the GPS. See this thread: https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4539.0

Another possibility is that you have exceeded the segment limit of your device. Maps are made of small tiles, and there is a limit as to how many the GPS can access. This limit has nothing to do with the size of the map file, it's possible to exceed the segment limit of the GPS with less than 4gb of maps (depending on the maps).

It doesn't matter whether the maps on on a card or internal memory and doesn't matter if they are enaabled. The total is the sum of all the segments in every map installed on the device. With the exception of a few of the newest models, most recent Garmin devices can access between 3000 to 4000 segments total. To troubleshoot this, try removing one of the other maps from your device and see if that helps.

GPSr Units / Re: Garmin eTrexH legacy software
« on: March 08, 2019, 07:39:23 PM »
Sorry Darrell, but that just does not make sense to me. I have said it more than once, and will say it again. The version of Mapsource on Garmin's site is the only version. It is still used by thousands - possibly millions of people. If the program opens and lets you view maps, then it is working. As to why it doesn't recognize the GPS, I have no idea. There may be a problem inside the GPS. The fact that your computer sees the device does not mean it's functioning properly. I believe the eTrex H was introduced in 2007, and these things don't last forever. :)

What are you trying to do? Just send waypoints and tracks? Or are you trying to send maps? If it's waypoints and tracks, there are other programs that should be able to do that. EasyGPS is one of them, although I have never used it. https://www.easygps.com

What are "NatMaps"?

General Discussion / Re: Any recommendations?
« on: March 03, 2019, 10:39:31 AM »
Got ya. In that case, this is the accessory you would buy to receive traffic on the DriveSmart 61


Shop around, other major retailers are selling it for less than Garmin. For example, B&H Photo had it for $60. But I still think this form of traffic data is not very good. No experience in the Houston area, but I had a long commute to Philadelphia for many years and as soon as you got into the suburbs you would lose reception. I live over 50 miles from Philadelphia and couldn't get any traffic reception until I was about 20 miles from town. If I had known about a traffic jam when I left home, there would have been alternate routes, but that was too late. There are big gaps in traffic coverage even when you travel major highways light the New Jersey Turnpike.

Garmin used to make "connected" devices, such as the Nuvi 1695,  that used AT&T's EDGE data network. So you got high quality traffic data, Google search, weather radar and other features. These would have been perfect for someone such as you, but Garmin discontinued them several years ago.

General Discussion / Re: Any recommendations?
« on: March 03, 2019, 03:37:50 AM »
Iím not sure I understand what Boyd has against cameras.

I just don't want a record of everywhere that I go. We have so little privacy left already, I don't want to contribute further to that trend. I don't even record tracklogs.

I know that some people feel it would be helpful to have a record in the event of an accident or other kind of incident for their own protection. I suppose that is a valid concern. However, that can cut both ways, and it could also be used against you.

If you feel a camera is desirable, that's fine. I just don't want one myself. :)

General Discussion / Re: Any recommendations?
« on: March 02, 2019, 01:24:53 PM »
IMO the DriveSmart 65 offers very little over the 61 and will be a lot more expensive than a refurbished 61 (they are in the $150 to $200 range). If you are concerned about smartphone traffic, you can get a GTM-60 receiver for the DriveSmart 61 for $60.

Do you not have a smartphone? Have you ever used Garmin's traffic receivers? They will be worthless for you everywhere but metropolitan areas. They rely on signals buried in regular FM radio broadcasts, and the data rate is very slow so the traffic information only covers a small area. The smartphone traffic is far superior IMO, and cell phone service is much more available than FM traffic service.

Personally I hate the whole idea of driving cameras, so I can't help you there, although they are usually configured to overwrite the oldest video when memory fills up. So (for example) the camera would always contain the last 4 hours of driving.

General Discussion / Re: Any recommendations?
« on: March 02, 2019, 09:18:42 AM »
I have a DriveSmart 61 and generally like it. The screen is especially nice, with almost no bezel. Garmin made some changes to their automotive devices around 10 years ago, and ever since then, they have had a series of odd ways to display your saved locations (aka waypoints or favorites). This model, and others from the past 3 or 4 years, displays them as ugly big "hearts" with no labels, regardless of whether you use Basecamp to pick a symbol. And there is no way to supress the display of these ugly symbols. There are menu items that should allow you to disable them, but they don't work. Now you can edit the waypoints on the DriveSmart itself and choose other (equally ugly) icons, but that is tedious. Anyway, this is one thing that some people dislike.

Also - just checking - I assume you only want to use this device in your car? It would not be appropriate at all for handheld use on foot. Due to the very narrow bezel on the screen, I find it almost impossible to carry it without accidentally activating things on the screen. And, of course, run time is very short on battery power due to the bright 7" screen.

Many of the features of the device, including traffic, also depend on a bluetooth connection to your smartphone. This isn't really a bad thing, but may not be immediately obvious when considering purchasing this device.

There is about 15gb of internal memory, which is plenty of room to spare. You should be able to load quite a few maps without adding a microSD card.

While topo maps will work on this device, their display is not optimal. This is nothing new, all of Garmin's automotive devices have had similar issues for over 10 years (the old models were actually a bit better with topo maps IMO). The biggest issue is that many POI's just don't appear on the screen. And personally I dislike the overally style of map rendering, with very thick elevation contours cluttering the screen. I make maps specifically tweaked for Garmin automotive devices, such as https://boydsmaps.com/boyds-map-of-new-jersey-2018/ I am not aware of anyone else that gives this much attention to how topo maps look on automotive devices however. And here is a special map that I made specifically for the DriveSmart 61. It's a good demonstration of how the processor in this device is faster than the older models - this map won't work properly on them. https://boydsmaps.com/lidar-in-the-pines-sd/

So those are my thoughts. Nice hardware - especially the screen - and at a price point that is lower than older premium Garmin devices. You can get especially good deals on factory refurb models if you shop around (factory refurbs are "like new", with full one year warranty). Just don't expect it to be an 'outdoor" type GPS device. It's an automotive unit that was primarily designed for use with the City Navigator map, and it is not optimum for working with most 3rd party topo maps.

BTW - the DriveSmart 61 has an interesting "cousin", the DriveTrack 71


While they market this for use with their dog tracking systems, AFAIK you can just turn that feature off. And you get basically the same unit as a DriveSmart 61 but it includes a pre-loaded 100k Topo for the whole US plus compatibility with Birdseye aerial imagery and a one-year free subscription.


This is rather remarkable, Garmin has never offered a large screen automotive device that is compatible with Birdseye before. While this device is more expensive, the included topo map and birdseye subscription would cost about $130 if purchased separately. And Birdseye is not even compatible with the DriveSmart 61 or any other automotive devices.

I have never actually seen one of these devices in person, but find it very interesting.

That is interesting. I hope it's true.  :)

GPSr Units / Re: Garmin eTrexH legacy software
« on: February 22, 2019, 04:54:19 AM »
Don't really understand all of that.... but it sounds like you got it working, so that's great. :)

The current version of Basecamp/MapInstall does not work properly. When you send a map to the GPS, everything appears to be fine. But when you look at the map on the GPS, it will be missing many of the features. This problem has been widely discussed here, and affects all maps and all users. And the bad news is that Garmin has discontinued work on Basecamp/MapInstall, so apparently this problem will never be fixed.  >:(

See this thread for more discussion, and some solutions: https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4539.0

Using The Maps/Garmin Software / Re: Basecamp vs Garmin explore website
« on: February 21, 2019, 09:45:16 AM »
See my post in your other thread. https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4611.0

Are you sure it's the device firmware? Because the newest version of Basecamp/MapInstall cannot send third party maps to a GPS. And to make things even worse, Garmin has discontinued development so apparently this will never be fixed. See this thread for more: https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4539.0

But yes, you can easily revert to older firmware. There is an archive here: http://www.gawisp.com/perry/gpsmap62_64_78/

Also see this: http://www.gpsrchive.com/GPSMAP/GPSMAP%2064/index.htm

If Garmin has really disabled the ability to use third party maps, that would be big news. So please follow up and let us know what you learn.

GPSr Units / Re: Garmin eTrexH legacy software
« on: February 21, 2019, 04:58:37 AM »
Just to save posting again, if what I suggested really doesn't work, install the free JaVaWa GMTK program. It should permit you to install the Mapsource update because it also provides the resources that the installer looks for.


"The downloadable version of MapSource is an update version, that refuses to install when no older version exists. JaVaWa GMTK prepares, when necessary, automatically your PC so that MapSource will install properly."

GPSr Units / Re: Garmin eTrexH legacy software
« on: February 21, 2019, 04:41:36 AM »
I'm sorry, but you did not really READ what I wrote. I know that Basecamp does not work with serial devices. I did not say to USE Basecamp. I said to INSTALL Basecamp. After you have installed Basecamp you should then be able to install Mapsource from the link that I posted. Then you would USE Mapsource.

The problem with installing Mapsource for the first time is that it looks for Garmin "products" on your computer. If it doesn't find any, then it will not install. This is why you couldn't install it. But if you install Basecamp first, then Mapsource will find a "Garmin product" and it should install properly.

This time, actually do what I said, then see if it works. If it does not, then I can suggest another approach. But this has always worked in the past, and in fact, there's a tutorial on this site that says the same thing. https://www.gpsfiledepot.com/tutorials/how-to-install-mapsource-if-it-didnt-come-with-your-gps/

GPSr Units / Re: Garmin eTrexH legacy software
« on: February 20, 2019, 04:27:29 AM »
Just install Basecamp on your computer first.


The installation will place some files on your computer, and after that you should be able to install the Mapsource update from Garmin's site.


This has always worked in the past. Did you try it? There are other ways to get the update to install if that doesn't work.

General Discussion / Re: eTrex Venture HC & BaseCamp
« on: February 18, 2019, 04:50:59 AM »
You didn't say you had a Mac, that is a rather important little detail. Mapsource only works on Windows. Do you have access to a Windows computer? If so, I would install Mapsource on it if possible.

I've never had an issue like you describe with MapInstall on my own Mac(s), but I am running Sierra. My only other thought would be to try some older versions of MapInstall and see if they work. There's an archive of old versions here


Unfortunately, Garmin has discontinued work on Basecamp and MapInstall, so there won't be any updates and they are also 32-bit programs, which means they won't work in the next version of MacOS.  >:(

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