Man I really like this site.I haven't even cosidered or knew about the oregon 450 until it was brought up by the people on this forum.From all the support on the oregon I went to you tube and checked some videos on it. It seems very advanced and should last a while as far as technology goes. the etrex-30 and the oregon 450 are about the same price and both seem like good units. Thanks to the members on this forum I now have narrowed it down to two choices the etrex-30 and the oregon 450. Looks like I can't go wrong with either unit now its about what I would like best. Thank you all for the great information.