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Title: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 08, 2020, 12:03:57 PM
In the coming days and weeks I intend to upload Topo Maps I have made/compiled for Canada, US and Mexico.  These are created with OSM data and compiled with mkgmap.  Most if not all maps will have 40ft contours and dem/3d shading.  These maps are in different stages of processing at the moment but it looks like Mexico will be a complete country, the US will have 8 regions plus Hawaii and Alaska, while Canada is likely to have 4 regions.   The downloads will be in gmap format, zipped. 
For a little back ground..  Since 2009, when I got a Garmin hcx Vista then later a 30x I have used Garmins own 24k and 100k, the various cgpsmapper maps from here and more recently OSM road and “topo” maps available here and elsewhere.  I drew inspiration from each, however:
-Garmins maps are so so, but there is not much you can modify other than hide poi’s in basecamp and road data gets old.
-The cgpsmapper maps are really old and at present most are 8-12 years old,  also I didn’t care for the cgpsmapper tattoo and they look horrible on Android (more on this down the page).
-The OSM maps are more current and if I was in Europe I would have a lot of choices to choose from in topo and road maps, but for North America our choices are really limited for topo maps.  They are ok general purpose maps, but not enough contour detail and too many Poi’s!
Last year I decided to dip my toes into mapmaking.  I dabbled with both the method described here at gps files depot and the mkgmap method.  I had several humble goals:
-Make a topo map for the Pacific Northwest, my home.
-One map to work on basecamp, oryx for “everyday use” and my Garmin etrxes in the “field”.
-Minimal poi’s, a clean, Spartan look with trails and peaks standing out, with dem.
In the end I decided to pursue the mkgmap method.  It seems the nadir of map making for Garmin was 5-8 years ago regardless of the method.  There are a handful of committed folks, almost all in Europe who continue to contribute and participate with mkgmap.  Tools, techniques and tutorials are mostly old, some depreciated and others dead, what I found though worked for me.  I can manipulate the style sheets and typ files, include contours and dems and have maps that work on all my devices.  I found through trial and error that oryx needs an img created with a typ file to render close to what is seen in basecamp.
What started as looking to download updated topo maps for my region,  turned into making Garmin compatible topo maps for a Continent!   Finally, GPS files depot is one of the few if only places where amateur map makers such as myself can share their maps.  Keep your eye on this thread for updates; I guess we can call these Monkey Maps.  Cheers.
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 08, 2020, 05:38:59 PM
Here are screenshot examples of the maps.  In Basecamp, Mt Adams in Washington and the Orux Maps view is of Eagle Cap Wilderness in Oregon and the south end of Wallowa Lake.

I didn't mention in the previous post, the maps are NOT routeable.  I created these primarily for off road use.  Also who wants to tell St Peter they are in his presence because "the voice said turn left" (cliff)...
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 09, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
HawaiiTopo map up.
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 09, 2020, 05:44:22 PM
US-WestTopo Up, Includes Washington, Oregon, California and Nevada

US-SouthWestTopo Up, Includes Arizona, Utah, Colorado and New Mexico
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 13, 2020, 01:17:26 PM
Topo Map for Montana, Wyoming and Idaho is up.

Just a reminder, after unzipping the file there should be a folder xyz.gmap, there should be another folder with the same name , that is what you should copy to the Program Data/Garmin/Maps folder for Basecamp to see the map.

For those wanting to load the map into ORUX maps:  In Basecamp, when your computer is connected to your android, install maps will install to your SD card, the folder is Garmin with gmapsupp.img inside.  The gmapsupp.img must be copy/cut to the Mapfiles folder within Orux Maps.  This can be named whatever.img (and with multiple maps necessary) and after refreshing should be visible in Orux
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 13, 2020, 02:47:02 PM
First of the Canadian Topo maps is up.  This one includes the provinces of British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan.
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 14, 2020, 02:06:36 PM
A few new maps Up

Northeast US including:  Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Delaware

Canada East including:  Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador

Finally, Greenland Topo
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 16, 2020, 12:58:08 PM
Alaska Topo Map is up!
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 17, 2020, 04:52:09 AM
Map of Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec is up
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 17, 2020, 07:50:50 AM
Puerto Rico Topo Map is up
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 18, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
Topo map for the Canadian Territories of Yukon, Northwest and Nunavut is up.

Topo Map for Mexico is up.
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 20, 2020, 06:43:49 PM
North Central Topo Map for North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota and Iowa is up

Great Lakes Topo Map for Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Ohio is up and hopfully working.  I goofed and left the upload page before 100% and re-uploaded.  Please inform on this thread if there is a problem
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on October 21, 2020, 04:31:56 PM
Great Lakes Topo should be working now.  My "intervention" somehow deleted the .tdb file the first time around and it's the proper size.
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on November 02, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
First off I'd like to thank those who have download the maps I've created to at least give them a try as part of their digital map quiver.

Last weekend I uploaded mapname.img for all the maps to be sent directly to a device and this is under "Windows",  for mapname.gmap which can be used in Basecamp for Windows or Mac those are under "Mac" downloads.

I'm still working on US SouthCentral, SouthEast, the Caribbean and Central America to complete all of North America and hope to have those up soon. 

While I'm pleased with the way the maps turned out I feel they could use some "polishing".  I'm starting testing on a version 2 which will include road shields (all circles, as the OSM symbols don't always match the actual road, though name is correct), some different road colors, attempt a trimming excess contour lines at borders and some other minor details.

Cheers
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on November 02, 2020, 11:18:08 AM
These are examples of my maps I attached in a previous post, but it appears you need to be registered to view attachments in the forums and for those who choose to not register I finally figured out how to post screenshots for all viewers.

The top image is of part of the Eagle Cap Wilderness and Wallowa Lake in Oregon as viewed in Orux Maps on Android (it isn't blurry in actual viewing)

The bottom image is of Mount Adams in Washington and the surrounded area as viewed in Garmin Basecamp

(https://imghst.gpsfiledepot.com/1604343369.jpg)

(https://imghst.gpsfiledepot.com/1604343401.jpg)
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: popej on November 05, 2020, 04:45:53 AM
Green on Mount Adams is a bit confusing. It looks like a forest to me, but actually it is some reserved or protected area?
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on November 05, 2020, 01:45:42 PM
PopeJ,

The Mt Adams area is both forest and a protected area.  It is managed by the US Forest Service.  The mountain is classified as a wilderness area while the rest of the Gifford Pinchot Nat Forest is all the way from "primitive" to logging.  It's little sister, 40 miles to the west is Mt St Helens, to the east is the Yakima Indian Reservation.

Early on I adopted the green color in my typ, it is/was the color used on many cgpsmapper maps here and my old Garmin 24k maps.  Of course the end user can change (with editor) what colors, etc suit them.

Now for me to bow to you.  Your maps were the biggest inspiration taking me down the osm/mkgmap  rabbit hole.   A year or two ago your maps replaced the open andro maps I had on Orux and my gps's and then I moved on from there...I'm kinda biased to another map at the moment though...

Given that there seems to be a just handful of mkgmap mapping mavens I've had to scour the web for answers (as you know there is no one stop shop) and over the past decade you have posted and contributed all over the place, which is what it takes to fill in the blanks about map making.  Gmaptool comes in handy too.  Thank You sir!

Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: popej on November 06, 2020, 01:18:24 AM
Thanks for your kind words!

I think maps of US are quite difficult to create from OSM. I suggest to make protected areas semi-transparent, because they might cover other details. See for example islands near Los Angeles.
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on November 06, 2020, 06:03:10 AM
PopeJ,

I use the default typ and style, earlier various known wilderness/protected areas, on land, did not render at all.  After trial and error, a lot, using different typ and style I found the problem.  One of the results was the marine areas such as you pointed out were "nature reserve" color.  I did play around with draw order and resolution but found, for now, the least worst solution is to keep, as is.  I found that almost all those marine areas, on any of my maps are just sea/ocean.  In the case of those island areas near Los Angeles there may be some oil platforms, but I have # all of those sorts of point, lines and poly's in the style sheets, so they won't show up anyway.  As I pointed out in my first post, OSM is Euro centered so I've adapted the best I can for US and North America in general given I'm still learning the fine art of osm/mkgmap mapmaking.
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on November 23, 2020, 11:30:41 AM
After my last update I wondered why most if not all of the maps had grown so much, up to 40% larger!  It looks like the DEM (3d/shading) values were the cause.  Now just using basic values and it doesn't appear to affect the visuals that I can tell.  The next round of updates will be smaller download and map size;  I've also added in where state/province will display big and boldly in base camp and gps, but only normal size in orux maps
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: rogertj on December 19, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
Hello Sockmonkey I am new to the community and been interested in mapping for years for my backpacking trips in Mexico. I just started out in making maps in ArcGIS but I came to this page via a search in google and found out that you already have the Mexico topos ready however I encountered that with the tutorial of installing maps in my basecamp there are problems with some programs in order to have your maps ready for base camp. I managed to download the MX-MexicoTopo Disk Image file for windows but I encountered that the program necessary to download these files to basecamp compatible files is no longer available. Do you know where can I get a program to install your maps? Thanks in advance for your help and thank you for your contribution to world mapping!!!
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on December 19, 2020, 05:33:57 PM
rogertj,

Welcome to GPS Files Depot, I have been around here since 2009 but didn't register until a couple of months back.  It's a great source for Garmin maps and gps related subjects.

Your issue sounds similar to a user a few weeks back https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4816.0 (https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4816.0) though they haven't yet responded if they were/were not successful.

A Garmin image file can't really be directly installed in Basecamp it's to put on your gps, but...
https://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html (https://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html)  JaVaWa Device Manager will allow you to view a garmin .img on a usb or virtual disk so follow those instructions or my recommended method is listed on the linked post.  Simply download the MX-MexicoTopo  the "Mac" version extract per the instructions and copy to your C:\ProgramData\Garmin\Maps folder to then be available to Basecamp.

Boyd, a long time poster here has brought up on other threads that some older Basecamp versions will not display custom maps (like mine) I am using 4.7.1 and it works, so make sure your Basecamp is up to date!

Of the maps available on GPS Files Depot there is not a universal way to get the maps to Basecamp.  The hosts of this site do offer installers to map contributors here but not all have them (like mine), some maps which are displayed here but downloaded at another site may have there own installers and methods to get maps to Basecamp and/or GPS.

As to my contributions to mapping I'm one of many and for now Garmin compatible GPS maps. I've enjoyed making them and I'm I'm glad we have this site to offer them.  It happened over months and years which finally took me down this rabbit hole...

Post back if you get things working or have further problems and best of luck on your own Mapping journey.

Sockmonkey
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: Boyd on December 19, 2020, 06:41:30 PM
Boyd, a long time poster here has brought up on other threads that some older Basecamp versions will not display custom maps (like mine)

I have not been following this thread too closely, but had the impression you were creating .gmap files for Basecamp (as opposed to the older registry-based maps). If so, then the Basecamp version probably won't matter. The Basecamp bug only affected the old registry-based map format. This was not initally clear, so there are some old threads here that claimed all maps were affected by the Basecamp bug.
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: jeaut on December 29, 2020, 04:16:19 PM
I've downloaded the CA-CentralProvTopo. I tried everything but I wasn't sucessful trying to install it on a Garmin 60csx.

I can now see it in BaseCamp even though it is still an img. But I can't see it in MapInstall.

Tried a lot of things... for different purposes: MapSetTooling, ImDisk Virtual Disk Drive, JaVaWa Device Manager, Cgsmapper, gmaptool, JaVaWa map converter. Some of these software were useless, some did their things but didn't help at the end of the day.

I have no clue now... :(
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on December 29, 2020, 06:16:06 PM
jeaut,

Sorry you are having trouble getting the map on your 60csx.  Some others on this site may have more to add about your model since I don't have that same model but...

When I was doing some early testing I used my etrex 30 and an old etrex hcx vista.  The 30 will accept multiple maps in named format and cards up to 32gb.  The vista is limited to 4gb card and one mapset.  My quick research showed the 60csx is limited to a 4gb card.  It looks like my vista is similar to yours.  There are a couple of routes (no pun intended) to pursue:

-Make a copy of the CA-CentralProvTopo and rename it gmapsupp.img (older models will ONLY accept this name.  On your gps the folder on your sd card must be named Garmin exactly as I typed it.  Copy and paste the gmapsupp.img into the Garmin folder.  This is all assuming that your gps is attached to your computer and the proper usb cable is used for 2 way communication between the computer and device.  Remove cable and power cycle gps and maps should now load.  Keep in mind if you have other maps on the card they will be overwritten.  Get some more 4gb cards or learn to format and partition larger size cards to 4gb or less to swap out cards if needed.  I have about 8 2-4gb cards that I used in the past for the vista.

-One possibility that mapinstall cannot see your gps is that your basecamp version is older than 4.7.1, so make sure you basecamp is currrent.  There are other threads here about this.

https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4642.0 (https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4642.0) this on touches on your situation, so you might try using mapsource as well.

You are not the first or will be the last who faces challenges getting maps to their gps regardless if the are Garmins own maps or custom made Garmin compatible maps.  Be persistent, expect to learn and be frustrated and eventually succeed.  Let us know how it goes.

sockmonkey

Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: jeaut on December 29, 2020, 07:35:48 PM
Thanks! That gmapsupp worked! :)

God! Wish I had read this somewhere 2 days ago. Lost a few hours there!

Thanks again!
Title: Re: New Maps for Canada, US and Mexico
Post by: sockmonkey on December 30, 2020, 09:58:45 AM
Great to hear about your success!