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Title: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: 93ToyTruck on June 09, 2018, 09:21:38 PM
On May 22/23, Garmin released updates for Basecamp and MapInstall. Thereís a bug in the new software that prevents third party maps from being installed.  It wasnít intentional, they just didnít test for it.

The solution is to uninstall Basecamp 4.7 and MapInstall 4.2, then install a previous version of the apps. Both apps need to be uninstalled. If you update to BaseCamp 4.7, it breaks the older version of MapInstall.

After you install MapInstall, you need to turn off automatic updates.

BaseCamp 4.2.5 can be downloaded from Garmin here https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=7161 (https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=7161).
I couldn't find a download page for 4.6.2 or an older version of MapInstall. I have version 4.0.4 and it worked for me.  Does anybody know where they can be downloaded from?
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: zhrd on June 10, 2018, 08:13:05 AM
http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource/BaseCamp_462.exe
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on June 10, 2018, 11:07:24 AM
Some related threads:

https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4534.0
https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4535.0
https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4536.0
https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4540.0

As noted by zhrd, there is an archive of pretty much all of Garmin's software and firmware here. Anyone who owns a Garmin product should bookmark this site! :)

http://www.gawisp.com/perry/
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: TheHikingDovah on June 10, 2018, 07:51:28 PM
Thanks for sharing. got my unit yesterday and have been basically cursing up a storm and bashing my head against the wall trying to find out why i could not load maps at all for about 3 hours! then low and behold i luckily found the forums!
Thanks So much. Hoping by downloading this i can now load my maps so i can get out and learn my etrex before my big trek.

Edit. Downloaded the Beta 4.2.04 and still cant load any maps from this site.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on June 11, 2018, 05:03:43 AM
The links in my post above should provide info on where to find old versions of Basecamp and MapInstall. But one more time....

Windows software is archived here: http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource/

Mac software is archived here: http://www.gawisp.com/perry/macintosh/

Why were you using the beta version? The broken version is dated May 2018. Try one of the previous versions from 2016 if you are on Windows.

On the Mac, I'm not sure if the same problem exists. If so, then you will need to download both Basecamp and MapInstall/MapManager - they are separate files.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: TheHikingDovah on June 11, 2018, 08:32:56 AM
Boyd, i was up until 3am messing with it so i think thats where the Beta version came in. Finally got one of the old ones to load and work. Had to use Basecamp 452 from the list. Finally am getting maps loaded on my 30x. the reason it takes so long for me is I am at the end of the data stream so its basically one step above dial up. Tried 462. My system didnt like it for some reason. Thanks for all the help! bookmarked this page and downloaded some of the list and put it on a portable HDD and a stick. Not going through this again  :)
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: 93ToyTruck on June 11, 2018, 10:23:02 AM
The problem doesn't exist on Mac. I had my friend test it with the updated versions of BaseCamp and MapInstall/MapManager.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on June 11, 2018, 02:26:35 PM
People on Garmin's own Macintosh support forum are saying that the Mac version has the same problem. Have not tested this myself though.

https://forums.garmin.com/forum/mac-windows-software/mac-software/basecamp/1350805-basecamp-4-7-0?p=1353434#post1353434

https://forums.garmin.com/forum/mac-windows-software/mac-software/basecamp/1350805-basecamp-4-7-0?p=1353624#post1353624

Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: devehf on June 16, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
What's the latest good version of MapSource that still works with 3rd party maps?
MapSource_6163.exe ?
MapSource_691.exe?
I can't figure out the versioning convention.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on June 16, 2018, 08:42:16 AM
AFAIK the final version of Mapsource is the one that's still available on Garmin's website: https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=209

Garmin made some changes to map rendering style quite awhile ago, and some "old timers" used to prefer the old version. But it's really old, and if you go back too far Mapsource will not recognize newer .gmap maps. A number of maps are GPSFileDepot (including mine) are provided as .gmap files.

I can't think of any reason not to use the version in my link above. Garmin discontinued mapsource in 2011 and does not support it anymore. However, IMO they will continue making it available because Basecamp does not support their older products that have RS232 serial ports.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: devehf on June 17, 2018, 08:20:09 AM
Ah, OK, thanks! That's what I figured. MapSource software version 6.16.3 which is has an installer with the file name MapSource_6163.exe
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Ranger78 on June 17, 2018, 10:29:43 AM
I created an account just to say thank you!  I was struggling for hours to understand why my GPSMap 64s wasn't showing any detail.  I even went as far as resetting the device.  I just wish I found this thread sooner!
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: 93ToyTruck on June 18, 2018, 06:44:08 AM
Everybody impacted by this issue should submit a support request to Garmin. They aren't going to fix it unless customers demand it.

https://support.garmin.com (https://support.garmin.com)
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: 93ToyTruck on June 19, 2018, 10:59:38 AM
After performing some testing, this is what I have learned:

MapInstall 4.0.4 will work fine with BaseCamp 4.7 installed. It just needs to be installed after BaseCamp 4.7 because...

BaseCamp 4.7 installs MapInstall 4.2.  It doesn't update the Windows program list with uninstaller details for MapInstall 4.2. The only way to get rid of 4.2 is to delete the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Garmin\MapInstall" directory. (The BaseCamp 4.7 installer doesn't update any registry information for MapInstall 4.2).

MapInstall 4.2 standalone installer does update the Windows program list with uninstaller details BUT it does not delete any files when the uninstaller is run. You must run the uninstaller to remove registry details then manually delete the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Garmin\MapInstall" directory. If you only delete the directory, the 4.0.4 installer throws an error when it sees the 4.2 registry values.

To roll back to 4.0.4 from 4.2:
1) Open the Windows program list and look for Garmin MapInstall 4.2. If it's there, run the uninstaller.
2) Delete the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Garmin\MapInstall" directory.
3) Run MapInstall 4.0.4 installer.


Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: homemdodedo on August 01, 2018, 01:10:52 AM
Thank you a lot for disposing your time to explain the procedures and the links!
Its a shame Garmin treat the users like that. but thanckfully the comunity is there!


I downgraded Basecamp and mapsource with the procedures and now I can install my maps again!

 :) :D ;D 8)
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: bnydegger on August 02, 2018, 08:21:09 PM
Thank You 93ToyTruck! Thank You! Thank You!  Your technique got back for me the capability to load a transparent overlay map of all the hikes (garmin tracks in the 100's) and waypoints (in the 1,000's).  All of these were created using GPX2IMG.  I was so elated that I donated $50.00 to GPSFILEDEPOT to thank them for the maps and forums.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on January 01, 2019, 06:57:41 AM
I am a bit concerned about the gawisp.com/perry links we have been posting. If you just go to gawisp.com (I suggest that you DON'T try this), you are re-directed to a really questionable site. I was greeted with a bogus installer for Adobe Flash when I went there, which is a classic way of distributing Malware. So I think the site has been hacked, and that raises concerns about the files there.

They seem to be OK, but I am not going to post any more links to that site. I just don't trust it, and don't know anything about who owns/maintains the site. You might want to think twice before going there or posting links.

And that is really bad news, because Garmin does not offer their own archive of old software. So what are we going to do? This is a really bad situation. As per another thread, Garmin has officially discontinued Basecamp development. So they are not going to fix this MapInstall problem.

What a mess.  >:(
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on January 01, 2019, 11:09:20 AM
Here's another site with older versions of Basecamp, perhaps it would be better to use this in the future?

http://www.gpsrchive.com/BaseCamp/Update.html
Title: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Red90 on January 01, 2019, 01:33:02 PM
Allory Deiss is the page owner.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on January 01, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
Thanks Red, I thought that site was somehow related to GPSInformation.net but couldn't put my finger on it. Here it is

http://gpsinformation.net/allory/garfeat3.htm
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Red90 on January 01, 2019, 02:58:52 PM
I sent him a note and he has fixed it.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on January 01, 2019, 03:03:48 PM
Thanks! 8)
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: el69564 on March 10, 2019, 03:10:43 PM
93ToyTruck - I'm trying to figure this all out. I'm not seeing an uninstaller for Mapinstall 4.2.
So do I just delete the Mapinstall directory and run Mapinstall 4.0.4 installer (I also do not know where exactly to get the installer). Sorry, I am not too knowledgeable with all this stuff.
Thank you!
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on March 10, 2019, 05:02:52 PM
I never upgraded, so I still have MapInstall 4.04. But I don't see any way to "uninstall" that either (aside from deleting the folder. But, FWIW, you will find archived old versions here

http://www.gawisp.com/perry/map_utilities/

Personally, I would just use Mapsource. You can download version 6163 here. It should recognize all the maps you have in Basecamp.

http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource/

See the Mapsource tutorial here:

https://www.gpsfiledepot.com/tutorials/how-to-load-maps-on-my-garmin-gps-unit/#mapsource
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on March 10, 2019, 05:04:40 PM
BTW, Garmin just updated the Macintosh version of Basecamp/MapInstall last week. I just updated my Mac and the new version of MapInstall works properly. It is also a 64-bit application now.

Hopefully this means a new PC version is coming soon. :)
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: haileyclauson on March 11, 2019, 10:34:17 PM

Thanks for sharing the information with us. Garmin made some change to map rendering few year ago, and some, old timers used to prefer the old version, but itís really old, if you are going too far mapsource will not recognize.

I cannot any reason to use the version in my link above. Garmin was discontinued 2011 and does not support.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: heggie on April 03, 2019, 03:44:06 PM
After going through the pain experienced my others, I uninstalled version 4.7 and installed 4.2. I can now download 3rd party maps. The maps were there from version 4.7 but I can't find my data (waypoints, tracks). Can you tell me what file they would be in or did I lose them when I uninstalled version 4.7?
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: heggie on April 03, 2019, 07:54:57 PM
I did finally find the data from 4.7 in the users file but the data is not backward compatible to version 4.6. I got an Email back from Garmin with a "work around" to install maps when using 4.7. As mentioned before, they are no longer supporting BaseCamp. I responded that I thought that it was pretty poor to leave the application not functioning properly.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: beiley on May 16, 2019, 07:48:02 AM
I tried to submit feedback to Garmin, in hopes they would soon fix the Windows version of Basecamp, but I didn't get the impression they were planning on fixing it.  Here is my support chat log:



beiley:
BaseCamp 4.7 will not install 3rd party maps. This is a huge headache I spent hours struggling with. Can you fix it? I've had to go back to an earlier version of BaseCamp. See: https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=4539.0
Chris :
GPS File Depot isn't updating their software, so it is becoming less compatible with Garmin products
beiley:
They still offer lots of maps, that your older Basecamp can utilize. Why is it the new Basecamp can't use them, but the old Basecamp can?
Chris :
The new BaseCamp was upgraded to 64-bit architecture. It is likely that GPS File Depot software is 8 or 16-bit, which is not compatible with 64-bit programs
beiley:
That is not a very satisfying answer. I go back to the old Basecamp works, and the new one doesn't.
Chris :
The old BaseCamp was 32-bit software, the new one is 64-bit. many new computer operating systems are only compatible with 64 or higher software programs.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on May 16, 2019, 08:14:30 AM
What an insulting - and clueless - response from Garmin. This issue has nothing to do with 8 bit or 16 bit "GPSFileDepot software".

But there might be a germ of truth (although not for the reasons that "Chris" stated). If I understand this issue correctly, the problem specifically relates to the old registry-based Garmin maps. That would be the majority of maps here at GPSFileDepot.

But Garmin started moving away from this format many years ago, when they first started supporting the Macintosh and created the gmap format. Garmin has used gmap for their own Windows and Macintosh maps for 10 years at least because it works on both platforms. But mapmakers at GPSFileDepot have been very reluctant to switch to the new format, although I have been urging it since 2011 ( https://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?topic=2383.0 ).

Sorry for the mini-rant, but this has been a pet peeve of mine for awhile, and now - combined with Garmin's arrogant attitude - it has finally started to bite the ordinary person who just wants a map for their GPS. So, if I'm correct about the bug only affecting registry-based maps, then I'd say GPSFileDepot does bear some responsibility for the problems people are having. And GPSFileDepot also bears some responsibility for the large number of old maps here that don't work properly on newer Windows systems because of a well-documented problem with their installers.

But none of this excuses the fact that Garmin broke Basecamp/MapInstall and then slammed the door on further development. That is outrageous IMO. And.... happy anniversary, next week it will be a full year since they introduced the current, broken version.  >:(
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: jolly47roger on May 16, 2019, 11:32:24 PM
I'm trying to analyse exactly what is happening.

As I understand it, Registry-based maps show correctly in Basecamp but lose detail when installed on the device.

Garmin provide a converter to make GMAP from Registry-based files - and JaVaWa offer one too (which works for me).

If Basecamp installs GMAP files correctly then the conversion is a simple way to get round this issue. Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on May 17, 2019, 03:36:17 AM
I think that is right, but am not interested in testing Garmin's broken software so I don't know for sure. And it's expecting a lot for a user to figure that out.

But - regardless - this problem has existed for a year now, and there is no mention of it here at GPSFileDepot, except from users like us who discuss it in the forum. So, somebody comes here, downloads a map, follows all the instructions, and then it doesn't work. Not a very good user experience IMO....
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: yogazoo on May 19, 2019, 01:36:42 AM
I just updated/uploaded the 2019 version of my Montana topo maps as a (zipped) compiled .img file with the MS version set to "0" in the header. This way the user can get the maps loaded onto their device/card AND view them in BaseCamp. I put a text instruction file in the zip folder.

What's wrong with this approach? Why would anyone feel the desire to use clunky BaseCamp to transfer the maps to their device? I just market it as a "better" way to download and install maps (drag-n-drop map files), cutting out the broken, tedious software middleman. Dragging and dropping a map file onto an SD card is easier for luddites than installing through BaseCamp anyway.



Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: Boyd on May 19, 2019, 02:05:23 AM
I agree. The main attraction of using Mapsource/MapInstall is that you can choose the exact portion of the map you want to send to the device. This was important when GPS units had small amounts of memory. Today.... not so much.

By "MS version set to 0", do you mean that this enables the map to be seen in Basecamp when the GPS (or a flash drive) is connected to the computer? I think that is rather limiting, I prefer to have the map permanently installed so that it can be accessed all the time in both Mapsource and Basecamp. So I provide both options with my own maps.
Title: Re: MapInstall 4.2 (May 2018 update) won't install third party maps
Post by: yogazoo on May 19, 2019, 10:51:35 AM
Yeah, setting the MS version to ď0Ē allows BaseCamp to read the map files from the GPS. The process takes a while since Garmin has never really gotten the USB transfer protocols right.

Youíre right, it does limit the user to some degree. Thanks to you and a map user who was having trouble waiting for the map files to transfer into BaseCamp via the GPS, Iíve decided to offer installers (with the ďwow6432nodeĒ removed from the registry values) so users donít have to go through the pain of connecting the device to their computers. Iíll provide a strong disclaimer not to use the installed version to transfer maps to the device. I want those who use my maps to have as pleasant experience as possible given the circumstances Garmin forces developers to deal with. I donít spend weeks and weeks updating and tweaking my maps each year just to have users frustrated with their functionality.

Best regards