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Title: MAP INSTALL
Post by: BKSLDR7 on May 01, 2012, 01:25:55 PM
I'm trying to install multiple maps on a Mac on a microcard in a reader.
I keep gettting a message that doesn't make sense regarding
space on the card.  What's going on?

"map set is approximately 2048.9 MB, but only 3296.5 MB is available in the destination."
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Seldom on May 01, 2012, 01:37:20 PM
What mapset is giving you that error?
One from here or someplace else?
Are you getting that message for a single mapset you send, or for all mapsets? 
Also, what GPSr are you using? 

That message is normally created when a map author creates a mapset by replacing one or two tiles, but not rebuilding the background.img file and the TDB file.  If you made the map yourself, just recompile the background.img and TDB.  If it's somebody else's map you need to have them recompile those items and get you a functioning installer.

For the record, I don't own a Mac, but have gotten that message on my PC when I did what I described above.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: BKSLDR7 on May 01, 2012, 01:46:38 PM
I downloaded and unzipped the following mapsets:  Yosemite,Nevada,California,MyTrails, Oregon from this site.  Then I selected all maps in each set and clicked "send Maps".  After the first time that I got the error I downloaded all the sets again and combined them again in MapInstall 4.0-
same error.  The size bar each time I selected a mapset in Mapinstall showed enough space remaining.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: BKSLDR7 on May 01, 2012, 01:50:39 PM
I intend to use the maps on a Nuvi 855 but that was not connected while I was installing on the card in a reader.  The card has some Audiobooks on it and a California and Nevada mapset but as I understand it the existing .img file should be overwritten my the new .img file.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: BKSLDR7 on May 01, 2012, 01:59:32 PM
Ok.  I tried the mapsets individually, starting with the smaller ones.  It appears that MyTrails is the one causing the problem.  When I tried other small sets; Yosemite and Oregon, for example, the installation worked.  I am now installing all sets except the MyTrails which will take some time to see if it works.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Boyd on May 01, 2012, 02:34:08 PM
I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but MapInstall 4.0 was just released and is evidently buggy. See:

https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.php?t=27095
http://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php/topic,2854.0.html
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: BKSLDR7 on May 01, 2012, 06:31:48 PM
The install finally completed without the MyTrails mapset so it seems that that was the set
causing the error message.  Maybe it needs to be recompiled.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Boyd on May 02, 2012, 06:12:34 AM
There was an issue with MyTrails that was discussed here before. When an author creates a map he can choose between different systems of text encoding. Evidently these different systems don't always play together so well when multiple maps are used. This was causing some problems with MyTrails on newer Garmin handhelds, so I don't know if that could be the issue.

But IIRC, jbensman (the author) fixed this with an update. You might want to contact him directly to see if he can help.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: BKSLDR7 on May 02, 2012, 10:21:50 AM
Isn't the update included in the current download?
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Seldom on May 02, 2012, 01:45:59 PM
Only jbensman would know that.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: merfani on May 03, 2012, 08:52:48 AM
I think I have an identical problem, getting a message that there is not enough space while there is plenty of space on the base and SD card.

SETUP:
GPS: Montana 650t + 32G SD Card (Free space 906 MB free on base, 29.7G on te card)
Mapset: "My Trail" downloaded from this site (no alteration made)
Installation Software: Garmin Base Camp
Windows 7 64 bit running on Dell Precision M4600

ISSUE:
Following the normal map installation procedure these are the messages in susbsequent windows dialog box/prompts that I get (screen snapshots are attached):

1- The Following map will fit on your Montana 650t     
    My Trails

2- These maps will be sent to your device:
    My Trails
    After this your device will have 884.0 MB of free space.

3- The map set is approximately 22.3 MB, but only 906.3 MB is available in the destination.
    Please select fewer maps and try again.

Short story ... Nothing gets installed

Please note that I tried to install this on my memory card as well, but I get the same messages (them Free memory size in the messages is much larger of course)

For what it is worth, I installed My Topo maps w/o any problems.

Any help is much appreciated.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: merfani on May 03, 2012, 09:00:53 AM
Sorry forgot to mention the version #s in my previous post:

Garmin Montana 650t software version 3.90
Garmin Basecamp 3.3.2
My Trails Version 1.0 (53-1476-My_Trails_install.exe)
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Boyd on May 03, 2012, 09:42:45 AM
As I have mentioned before in the other thread, MapInstall 4.0 is a major new version that was just released about a week ago and there's discussion of bugs/issues on Garmin's support forum. See this thread: http://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php/topic,2854.0.html

You should post any issues on Garmin's forums - the developers need user feedback to fix the problems: https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.php?t=27095

Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Seldom on May 03, 2012, 10:06:34 AM
Yes, but merfani's issue is with My Trails.  He installed My Topo correctly.  And do we know that merfani is using a Mac?  I can't tell from the attachments.  If he's using a PC, and a nuvi, he should also look here https://forums.garmin.com/showthread.php?t=27145 .  merfani, apologies if I've got your gender wrong.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Boyd on May 03, 2012, 10:14:07 AM
What merfani describes sounds like it could be buggy Mapinstall behavior. But I suppose there could be some problem with MyTrails. In that case, you can contact the author here: http://forums.gpsfiledepot.com/index.php?action=profile;u=193
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Seldom on May 03, 2012, 10:53:11 AM
From My Trails Page:
QuoteThe Windows installer map is updated on a regular basis (MAC is a pain so it is not updated as often-but I am getting better at it).

If merfani and BKSLDR7 are both using Macs, this might explain it.  Have any confirmed PC users reported this problem?
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: merfani on May 03, 2012, 11:17:18 AM
Thanks for all the quick replies. As I mentioned in my previous post, I am using the PC version and I had no problem installing My Topos.

As an update, I started taking few of the states out  (HI, CA, and most of the mid west) and the remianing 12 states installed fine.   So the size of the install seems to make a difference which would make sense had I not have enough space on my card or the base unit (neither which, is the case).

Thanks for the suggestion. I will post this issue on Garmin site as well.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Seldom on May 03, 2012, 11:24:00 AM
merfani, are you sending the maps to your Montana as a single gmapsupp.img for each mapset that you rename, or as a gmapsupp.img combining map sets?  Also, are you sending to a card or internal memory?  If you are not going the renaming route, it might be worth a try.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Boyd on May 03, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
If you're using a PC, I suggest that you try Mapsource instead of Basecamp. That would remove any possibility of MapInstall bugs from the equation. Version 4 of MapInstall was also released on the PC last week, and also appears to be quirky.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: jbensman on May 03, 2012, 12:36:33 PM
Try it now.  I recompiled the mac and windows installer. 

That error message happens if I forget to run mapsettoolkit before creating the installer and there has been too big of a change in the img files.  I thought I had a note on the page telling people to contact me if they get such an error message.  I do now. 

Let me know if it fixes it. 
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: merfani on May 03, 2012, 07:29:06 PM
It Worked ! Thank You Very Much !!

I just downloaded the new "My Trail", and used the BaseCamp/MapInstall app as before and it installed just fine.

For what it is worth, earlier before downloading the new version of "My Trail" I did try MapSource with the  "My Trails" which was failing with BaseCamp, and it worked fine as well.

Thanks again for all the responses, and of course the ultimate fix.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: jbensman on May 03, 2012, 10:07:55 PM
That's interesting that it worked in mapsource and not mapinstall.  I always yse mapsource to install the maps.  I guess then I need to always make sure I run mapsettoolkit before creating the installer.  Sounds like basecamp is more sensative than mapsource.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Seldom on May 03, 2012, 10:13:24 PM
I don't know if it makes a difference, but i always uninstalled an old version of a mapset using MSTK before I re-installed the same updated one.  Seemed like good hygiene.  The OP's experience with MapSource vs. BaseCamp reflects something else I've found.  MapSource is much more forgiving with GPX files than is BaseCamp.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: BKSLDR7 on May 08, 2012, 08:40:53 PM
MERFANI,
You are seeing the same error that I am for MyTrails.  The author attempted a fix but I still have the problem that you do and the author has no more suggestions.  All the other maps from this site install fine on the card unless I add MyTrails to the set.  There seems to be a problem with installing MyTrails on a Mac with MyTrails itself or with the Installer 4.0.   It appears to affect both the Montana and Nuvi 855.
Title: Re: MAP INSTALL
Post by: Indrid Cold on May 08, 2012, 10:01:37 PM
Well, I just downloaded and installed My Trails on my Mac, and used MapInstall v4.0.0 to send the map to my GPS and it wrote the file "My Trails.img" in a couple of seconds so the file hosted is good.