Hi, I recently bought a Montana 650 and seems either file transfer has gotten very difficult since using my Quest or I have became very stupid. I have loaded both BaseCamp and RoadTrip on my MAC and attempting to put what I see on the computer screen onto the Montana 650. All I seem to be able to transfer is waypoints, not the tracks or highlighted Rubicon trail that someone was nice enough to send me their .gpx and .gdp files of the trail. I was stupid enough to purchase the birdseye from Garmin and can view it in BaseCamp with the highlighted trail / tracks on top which looks good, but when I went to transfer it to my Garmin, got an error for the unit id telling me to contact Garmin. So I can live without birdseye, but it would tickle me pink to actually see the trail between waypoints on my new 600 dollar gps unit. I have also downloaded OSM, routable open street maps which seem to work ok, but the trails are keeping me up at night. Wide open for guidance, you can speak to me as if I were a 4yr old and I would still be grateful if it helps.
thanks
Powell
Please view the Sharing video for BaseCamp for Macintosh: LINK (http://www8.garmin.com/learningcenter/training/basecamp/) and see if that explains it for you.
First, forget RoadTrip. It's ancient, slow and has been discontinued. Basecamp can easily do everything you want, and Birdseye will be fully compatible with your Montana. I'm not sure why you got that error message, but why not just do what it says and contact Garmin?
Birdseye imagery will only work on the device that you used when you registered. Go to your account at my.garmin.com and click on myMaps. Do you see a picture of your Montana? It should indicate that you have a Birdseye satellite imagery subsciption there and should show your unit ID.
Quote from: pschoggens on April 02, 2012, 10:26:15 PM
I was stupid enough to purchase the birdseye from Garmin and can view it in BaseCamp with the highlighted trail / tracks on top which looks good, but when I went to transfer it to my Garmin, got an error for the unit id telling me to contact Garmin. So I can live without birdseye, but it would tickle me pink to actually see the trail between waypoints on my new 600 dollar gps unit.
Once you purchase a BirdsEye subscription, you have to activate it before using it with your GPS. You didn't mention activating your subscription to your Montana so that would be my guess there.
Thanks Boyd,
Spoke to Garmin in my drive to work and they were stumped, but did give me direction turning on the tracks and suggested I try it again. I think it is working as it is loading as I write this. Did something kinda weird when choosing the quality, the highest quality download would be 6.85MB and the high quality was 98 MB, so I chose the larger file set to download. I want to see the raccoons looking back at me. ;D
the reason I downloaded roadTrip is because OSM open street maps, a free route-able worldwide map set needs it to run on my Garmin and now I have maps of Mexico. Would be great if it worked with Basecamp. The last issue I was having is being able to see the roads I see while on my MAC in BaseCamp, but not on my GPS after a download. I have played with turning off an on all the maps in the map tab. I will follow up once birds eye is loaded and I check it out tommorrow.
thanks for all the replies
Powell
If it is a vector mapset (vs Birdseye imagery), all the data would be sent to the GPSr.
The usual reason for not seeing features on the GPSr is not zooming-in enough.
Are you sure that OSM doesn't work on Basecamp? That would surprise me. As I said, Roadtrip is old, slow and buggy. In my own experience, there's nothing that Roadtrip does which can't be done better in Basecamp. Roadtrip definitely won't be compatible with sending waypoints and tracks from your Montana to your computer. Garmin changed their system for doing this after Roadtrip was discontinued.
Have you visited Garmin's Basecamp support forum? Lots of good info there, and the software developers themselves help users resolve issues: https://forums.garmin.com/forumdisplay.php?f=171
Quote from: pschoggens on April 03, 2012, 10:35:08 PM
OSM open street maps, a free route-able worldwide map set needs it to run on my Garmin and now I have maps of Mexico. Would be great if it worked with Basecamp.
Are you downloading from garmin.openstreetmap.nl? The site is down at the moment, but does it provide a Mac installer? I've got a few OSM maps for PC from that site and they all work fine in BaseCamp. Thing you have to watch for is not to try to install a gmapsupp.img to anything other than your GPSr.
Yes I think that is where I got the maps, but since it is down, hard to verify. I am starting to warm up to the Montanna, birds eye...eeehh. some of the tiles are green as if in the summer, but the Rubicon trail is covered in snow. I opened Roadmap and saw OSM with TJ maps, closed it and opened BaseCamp and saw OSM as well. I will follow your advice and uninstall RoadTrip. Should I do a Reset on my Montana and reload? My map choices are as follows:
enable-Worldwide DEM Basemap NR
enable-OSM world Routable(63240821), OSM World routable
disable-Digital Globe
disable-BridsEye Select EIRE
disable-BridsEye Select France
disable-BridsEye Select Kompass -Austria +East Alps
disable - USGS Quads GCNP demo
in base camp I can see all of the SouthWestern USA and Mexican Baja in OSM (this was the area I selected to download, using Denver CO as the NE corner of the selection) on the Montana I can see the Mexican Baja and maybe just San Diego County or
SoCal and I have to zoom out to 200mi to see the big US roads fill in. Anything under 200 on the rest of the US map is a shaded relief map or general topo without lines.
When I opt to load maps to the Montana, I now check all the boxes except load mapinstaller. I checked that box once and watched the candy stripe for about 30 minutes before pulling the plug. I had updated the firmware on the Montana and got the warning to let the Montana restart on its own or risk damaging the unit, let it sit for about 2 hours and it never rebooted on its own, so I booted it and it has been working fine, except for my learning curve.
If you have read this far, I thank you for any help or direction you offer and look forward to your response.
Powell
Are you in the US? The following are all different BirdsEye products - see http://www.garmin.com/us/maps/birdseye
disable-Digital Globe
disable-BridsEye Select EIRE
disable-BridsEye Select France
disable-BridsEye Select Kompass -Austria +East Alps
disable - USGS Quads GCNP demo
If you didn't purchase all of these, then they are demo's that were pre-loaded on the device. When I got my Montana, it only had the Digital Globe (satellite imagery) demo. Anyway, with the Montana connected to you Mac, double-click on its icon, then before doing anything else, create a new folder on you computer and drag all the files there so that you will have a backup. This could save your bacon later on if you make a mistake and delete something you shouldn't. Now look in the Garmin folder - there will be a Birdseye folder inside that. You can just drag any of the demo files you don't want to the trash and remove them.
The Worldwide DEM basemap NR is a low resolution map of the whole world that was provided by Garmin. It will have very little detail and only show major features like boundaries, large waterbodies and a few roads. Just leave that alone, but you will usually not want it enabled on the unit because it adds very little. What it will do is provide a crude map for areas where you haven't loaded detailed maps.
If the OSM map looks OK there is no need to reload it. I think you're probably good to go now. Enjoy the Montana, I love mine and a day never goes by that I don't use it. :)
Thanks Boyd,
I will do as you said and yes I am in USA and I did not purchase those disabled maps.
There are some questions about loading files to the Montana.
Do I want to load everything to the SD card? Garmin says I can run 32GB.
When you are loading to the GPSr, what is the mapinstaller check box for that in the dialog box with tracks, routes, waypoints?
Perhaps my pulling the plug after 30 minutes is why my OSM file is incomplete?
look forward to you response.
Powell
QuoteThe server has generated four different configurations of your map:
* osm_routable_mapsource.exe = Installer for Garmin MapSource (Windows).
* osm_routable_roadtrip.zip = Installer for Garmin RoadTrip (Mac OSX)
* osm_routable_gmapsupp.zip = Combined image for direct manual placement on the GPS device (gmapsupp.img)
* osm_routable_tiles.zip = A zip file containing the tiles in the request, especially useful for Linux users (e.g. QLandkarte)
Just came across this here (http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=233334#p233334)
pschoggens, is that why you loaded RoadTrip?
Hi Seldom,
Your day job must be Chief Detective 8)
That is exactly why I installed roadtrip as it appeared the only interface between my GPSr and OSM routable maps on a MAC.
Are you familuar with the "send maps with Mapinstall when done" prompt in the send to Device dialog box? What does it mean? :o
thanks
Powell
Quote from: pschoggens on April 05, 2012, 06:40:26 PM
Your day job must be Chief Detective 8)
Not really, but I do follow the OSM forum because I use their routable compiler occasionally.
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Are you familuar with the "send maps with Mapinstall when done" prompt in the send to Device dialog box? What does it mean? :o]
Don't know how it works on a Mac, but Mapinstall for BaseCamp on a PC is a subprogram that lets you select map tiles to send to a GPSr or microSD card.
OK found the real reason I downloaded RoadTrip....About this website:
The goal of this website is to advance the OpenStreetMap project by providing free Garmin maps
This website generates four different configurations of your personal free Garmin map:
* Installer for Garmin MapSource (Windows).
* Installer for Garmin RoadTrip (Mac OSX)
* Combined image for direct manual placement on the GPS device (gmapsupp.img)
* A zip file just containing all the Garmin map tiles as selected on this website. This is useful for Linux users (e.g. Qlandkarte)
I am currently in Queue for a reload for the SW USA from http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
I will remove RoadTrip and save the file to my desktop if I cannot drag it onto the SD card in BootCamp.
Many thanks to Boyd and Seldom who gave insight and direction to solving my issues.
My resolve was to remove the sd card and mount it on the MAC using a USB card reader, rename it "Garmin sd". Next I choose the zip download from OSM. Once loaded, I opened and used Garmin Mapinstall to choose the OSM from the drop down menu. Then I had to reselect all of the tiles as I originally selected from the OSM server and clicked continue to place the files on the card.
After completion, the card was reinserted into the Montana and Whaaaa-Laaaaa....we have maps!! :-*
Yes I am using Basecamp.
So next question...how to update the file with changesets-latest?
Look forward to your response
Powell
Quote from: pschoggens on April 08, 2012, 11:31:35 AM
So next question...how to update the file with changesets-latest?
I'm pretty sure that if you download the same tiles from garmin.openstreetmap.nl, and install them, they'll just overwrite the earlier OSM World Map installation. At least that's how it works on a PC.
That said, I wouldn't be downloading any OSM maps for a while. OSM just had a "license purge". They changed their license about a year ago and gave all their contributors a year or so to accept the new license. That year ended April 1st, and data is being purged from contributors who didn't accept the new license. This can mean that some roads and POI disappear.
Hummmm..........How Do you define a While? Does OSM charge to place a business name on their map and if they don't pay up remove them and the road they are on? :o
I took OSM for a test drive and was pleased with it functionality including the track back feature of the Montana. Now maybe I should play with the find function since I do not recall seeing many POI on the map.
The backtrack function has nothing to do with the map, it should work with no map at all. It uses the track that you have already recorded to route you back.
Quote from: pschoggens on April 09, 2012, 07:02:07 AM
Does OSM charge to place a business name on their map and if they don't pay up remove them and the road they are on?
Not sure if this is serious, but in case it is: when data is uploaded to OSM there is an effective contract between the uploader and database maintainer about how the data is to be used. OSM's lawyers decided that they needed to change the terms of that contract. Folks whose data is about to disappear didn't agree to the new terms.
Thanks Guys,
One more question.....Should I just bulk buy a bunch of 1 or 2 GB cards to load individual maps on or is there a tutorial on how to put a bunch of maps on one bigger card?
For example in the maps section there are several files that interest me and on OSM, several more that if put together would create a complete northern America map. I suppose I could alway store them on an external HD and load as needed. Which would you recommend?
There is probably a way to do it, but a Mac user would have to tell you how. I'm including the PC way below for any PC/OSM users who might be following this thread:
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Procedure to load multiple "OSM World Routable" maps in Windows:
Download the first selection of tiles from garmin.openstreetmap.nl
Run the installer. The default map install location is C:\Garmin\Maps\OSM World Routable.
Rename the installed folder to C:\Garmin\Maps\SomethingElseThatMakesSenseToYou.
Open MapSetToolKit
Select "Families\OSM World Routable" in the right scroll box.
Click the 0Uninstall button.(Don't worry, this just deletes the old registry settings.)
Click the Install Button. Another dialog will pop up.
Select the Browse Button beside the TDBfile box and browse to the maps folder you renamed.
Select the TDB file in that folder. (It will be named 6324000.tdb)
Click the Browse Button beside the "Overview Map" box and select 6324000.img.
(DO NOT SELECT 6324000_MDR.IMG!!!!)
(If you do you will render MapSource/BaseCamp unworkable until you use MapSetToolKit to uninstall this mapset.)
Add the MapSet Name, the Registry Name, and the Family ID in the popup dialog.
(The Family ID should be 4 digits. Don't use 2000 because that's the default FID for OSM maps.)
( Don't use an FID that's already listed in the MapSetToolKit scroll box.)
Click the Apply button.
Personally I try to minimize the number of times that I swap memory cards. Aside from being a nuisance, you will be putting a lot of wear and tear on the little card slot.
I don't use OSM, but assume it would be like any other map set. After sending to the GPS, change the gmapsupp.img file name to something descriptive, like OSM.img. Now send another map and repeat as needed. Then get a big enough card to hold everything you need.
Boyd, since you've been working with that universal installer, I thought you might have something pschoggens could do with folders for map products on a Mac?
The instructions you posted were for creating registry-based Windows map sets. There really isn't any analog to that on the Mac. Sorry, I know absolutely nothing about OSM so I wouldn't even know where to begin.
Hey Boyd,
What maps do you use? I am not married to OSM, I just resent paying Garmin more money for a map that is not going to be supported in the near future.
I am not 100% married to MAC either. My last laptop was a ThinkPad, but kinda had simular feelings about Microsoft wanting me to pay an upgrade to get a spell checker for Microsoft Word, that was when I found Open Office. With time I got tired of waiting for the thing to boot up all the time and now it won't connect to my wireless although everything seems to be working properly, that will be a new tread on a diffrent site.
I agree with not wanting to stick my dusty fingers inside my Garmin and would preferr to have the 32GB master card that I never have to change change. Those little cards dissapear so easily.
look forward to your response....
I think 32gb would be serious over-kill. Your device is limited to 4,000 map tiles and you would likely reach that limit long before 32gb. The only reason for a big card would be Birdseye which is only limited by storage space. However in my own experience, I filled 16GB class 10 card with Birdseye and it made startup painfully slow on my Montana. I would suggest only loading smaller sections of Birdseye to avoid this. Most people will never need more than 4GB or 8GB max. Remember, you also have about 1GB of internal storage.
For road navigation I use Garmin City Navigator. It has many features not supported by any free maps (rich POI database, full address lookup/routing, lane assist, speed limits). If you don't need Canada, get the Lower 49 version which $60. Register your GPS and you will get a 10% discount code that lowers this to $54. To me, this was a no-brainer due to the added functionality not to mention the time you would spend screwing around with downloads, etc.
For topo maps.... I make my own and they are better than anything else available for my area IMHO ;) http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/maps/view/294/
I also have the Garmin 24k Northeast topo and US Topo 2008 which I purchased a number of years ago.
pschoggens, if you still have that old laptop you can always put BaseCamp on it. Load OSM maps on them, do what I described above, and convert it to Mac with MapConverter. Regarding OSM vs City Navigator, I use OSM data for hiking, City Navigator (on a Nuvi) for driving. I wouldn't want to rely on something as changeable as OSM to get me out of a bad neighborhood. The wiked witch might rewrite the route so it ends up at the gingerbread cottage.
Quote from: BoydFor road navigation I use Garmin City Navigator. It has many features not supported by any free maps (rich POI database, full address lookup/routing, lane assist, speed limits). If you don't need Canada, get the Lower 49 version which $60. Register your GPS and you will get a 10% discount code that lowers this to $54. To me, this was a no-brainer due to the added functionality not to mention the time you would spend screwing around with downloads, etc.
For topo maps.... I make my own and they are better than anything else available for my area IMHO
I concur with all of this. Nothing can rival the City Nav maps due to the POIs, updates, etc. OSM was originally built off "poor" tiger data but with all the improvements they can't update so there will be inaccuracies. Additionally, Garmin manually updates addresses that don't conform to standards; data like that isn't in OSM.
With that said I did use an OSM map once because I didn't need another license for roads on a GPS and it did work pretty decently.
Sorry I have been busy, but you three have made very good arguments for the city navigator as a superior product over OSM. I was totally overlooking the POIs as having value.
Guess I will conform with the DVD version. ::)
I had a conversation with Garmin a few years back requesting they make their software smarter as being able to sense which direction I am going in by reference to my destination and recommending POIs that are out my front door instead of 200 miles out my back door.
Seems I recall a snicker. ;)