I would like to find my property markers. I know where some of the markers are near the house by the road, but I don't know where the markers are on top of the mountain. I have a deed and survey map, but the language on it is Greek and I don't know how to get the points into base camp or on my Garmin. Below is some of the language on the map\deed. and a link to some of the points I could find i marked with my gps and sent to Google maps.
link (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206968719821776559834.0004be13f934db12fde02&msa=0&ll=37.126997,-82.815092&spn=0.004799,0.010568)
parcel of land lying and being on Solomon Branch of the North Fork of the Kentucky River at Whitesburg, Letcher County, Kentucky. Said parcel being more particularly bounded and described as follows:
Beginning at the fourth (4th) corner to Lot #3, a steel re-bar with an aluminum cap atop set two feet east of the easterly edge of pavement of Solomon Branch Road. Thence leaving the lines of Lot #3 and extending along the easterly edge of the said road and being about two feet therefrom,
North 36-00-43 East 40.73 Feet To a point; Thence,
North 34-00-24 East 50.31 Feet To a point; Thence,
North 42-52-43 East 9.94 Feet To a point at the inlet end of a
24" concrete pipe underlying Solomon-Branch Road, reference is S08-37-52W 8.38 feet to a re-bar and cap set on the south side of a small drain and or. the east side of the said road. Said point on the pipe being a corner to the Eugene and Judith Vermillion tract; Thence upstream with the meanders of the small drain with the said Vermillion line,
South 79-06-37 East 245.05 Feet To a point in the drain, reference is
S10-34-04W 7 feet to a red plastake; Thence continuing up the drain,
South 74-12-51 East 201.31 Feet To a point in the center of the
drain, references are N30-33-40E 10.3 feet to a 24" Black Walnut Tree and S14-47-42W 3.5 feet to a red plastake; Thence cont-inuing up the drain,
South 67-49-08 East 218.59 Feet To a red plastake south of a old
blazed 14" Buckeye Tree; Thence,
South 79-35-43 East 101.90 Feet To a red plastake; Thence,
South 63-13-09 East 74.10 Feet To a red plastake north of a old
blazed 26" Poplar Tree; Thence,
South 80-54-52 East 144.78 Feet to a red plastake set near the toe of a old mine slope and near the center
of the drain; Thence up the mine slope,
South 72-10-37 East 147.94 Feet To a red plastake; Thence,
South 68-09-23 East 103.01 Feet To a red plastake; Thence,
South 83-09-16 East 150.03 Feet To a red plastake; Thence,
South 89-10-08 East 131.96 Feet To a masonry nail set in solid
rock; Thence,
South 89-11-41 East 217.57 Feet Passing the top of the mine slope
at about 98 feet, to a point on a alum-inum cap atop a steel re-bar set near the base of a small mine highwall; Thence up the highwall and leaving the said Vermillion lines,
South 32-18-16 East 45.85 Feet To a lead plug, nail and shiner set
in a large rock atop the highwall; Thence down over the highwall again,
South 63-18-00 West 388.48 Feet Passing the edge of the mine site
at about 338 feet, to a red plastake in the center of a spur and a being the sixth (6th) corner to Lot #3; Thence along the lines of Lot #3 for two calls,
North 71-59-22 West 1,437.30 Feet To a point on a aluminum cap atop a
steel re-bar; Thence,
North 44-18-17 West 72.21 Feet To the point of beginning. Cont-aining 6.50 acres by survey be the same more or less. Said survey and acreage being subject to easements and right-of-ways of record. All bearings are refere-nced from grid north as determined by a solar observation with the theta angle correction applied to astronomic north.
Quote from: ggilbert on April 20, 2012, 11:24:11 AM
I would like to find my property markers.
I have a deed and survey map, but the language on it is Greek and I don't know how to get the points into base camp or on my Garmin.
Not Greek but "metes and bounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metes_and_bounds)"
Are you looking to make a map or just mark the boundaries and get them into BaseCamp?
You will at least need the co-ordinates of the start point to proceed.
You might also do some google searches for GIS parcel data in your town/county/state. I can download free parcel data for my whole state on a county-by-county basis for example. If you can find the data online, we can help you understand how to use it here.
That being said, any data that you download will probably not be survey grade (there are disclaimers to that effect on my state's data), but they will get you pretty close. Then again, Basecamp doesn't have survey grade accuracy anyway.
Really goal number one is to find the pins or markers on the top of the mountain. land was surveyed 20+ years ago and it is a little grown up and i would like toget in the general area to search for those markers. we have two adjoining lots totaling about 14 akers
Second goal i would like to plot the boundary lines in my gps.
third goal export from base camp to Google earth to see it online.
the lots are in Whitesburg, KY
thanks indris cold for the term metes and bounds i am going to read up a little on that now. i didn't know what that was called. i was thinking it may have been utm
Again, I would see if you can find the data on the internet. That will allow you to accomplish what you want. Are you in Boone County? With just a really quick google search I found parcel data here: http://arcgis.boonecountygis.com/BooneBase/
But this appears to only be a viewer with no download tool. However if you click on the XY tool you can identify points on the map. I suspect the numbers that you see are in the state plane coordinate system. You could convert these to Geographic Lat/Lon or probably even enter them directly into a handheld GPS if you configure it properly.
There may be another site where you could actually download this as a file, which might have some advantages. Do a little searching on the web. Since I don't know your area, I am not all that sure where to look. Here's another link that might help: http://kentucky.gov/pages/gis.aspx
Also, I don't use Google Earth anymore, but the last time I looked there was a layer that actually showed property parcels. The data you want may already be available there.
Quote from: ggilbert on April 20, 2012, 02:06:47 PM
Really goal number one is to find the pins or markers on the top of the mountain. land was surveyed 20+ years ago and it is a little grown up and i would like toget in the general area to search for those markers. we have two adjoining lots totaling about 14 akers
Second goal i would like to plot the boundary lines in my gps.
third goal export from base camp to Google earth to see it online.
the lots are in Whitesburg, KY
thanks indris cold for the term metes and bounds i am going to read up a little on that now. i didn't know what that was called. i was thinking it may have been utm
It's not too hard to map if you have the start coordinates., it's the same as walking the parcel. I would doubt you will be able to find a download of the data seeing where it is.
Quote from: Boyd on April 20, 2012, 03:06:18 PM
Again, I would see if you can find the data on the internet. That will allow you to accomplish what you want. Are you in Boone County? With just a really quick google search I found parcel data here:
But this appears to only be a viewer with no download tool. However if you click on the XY tool you can identify points on the map. I suspect the numbers that you see are in the state plane coordinate system. You could convert these to Geographic Lat/Lon or probably even enter them directly into a handheld GPS if you configure it properly.
There may be another site where you could actually download this as a file, which might have some advantages. Do a little searching on the web. Since I don't know your area, I am not all that sure where to look. Here's another link that might
Also, I don't use Google Earth anymore, but the last time I looked there was a layer that actually showed property parcels. The data you want may already be available there.
I am in Letcher county.
I have start points I plotted with my gps. Tell me about walking the parcel. It is real steep in places I doubt you could walk all of it. I can get to where I think the top markers should be via old coal mine road. It said I was accurate with in 7 feet on the gps but I think it was better that that because lot 3 has a 100 ft front and when I marked the front two pins it date the distance was 99 feet.
Ok, let's start out with what you have...
What model gps?
What computer system/OS?
If you have a Windows PC, download the following FizzyCalc software:
http://www.fizzymagic.net/Geocaching/FizzyCalc/
Mac version here: app Store (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fizzycalc/id457720177?mt=12)
We will want to convert your start point to DMS format.
Then you need to check that the M&B discription is correct. Any error will make all rolling points wrong, so even double checking the numbers would be a good idea.
By projecting the second and later waypoints, the description will lead you back to the start point.
I have a garmin GPSmap 62s
Windows 7 if I need to use a older os I can install a vm
Quote from: ggilbert on April 21, 2012, 08:15:30 AM
I have a garmin GPSmap 62s
Windows 7 if I need to use a older os I can install a vm
Those are fine. Do you have or have access to a scanner? It would be a good idea to scan the lot description so that someone else could double check the description for errors.
You don't have to "walk" the border as written. Once the control points are mapped out you can then do the field work of searching for the markers etc.
Can the mod allow me to post files and links please. I have a PDF and word doc of this info.
Quote from: ggilbert on April 21, 2012, 08:29:35 AM
Can the mod allow me to post files and links please. I have a PDF and word doc of this info.
Do you have an "Attachments and other options" link below your text window when you reply?
On page 11 of the deed lot 4 binder1 PDF there is a map of the points.
the land,jpg is the points i have marked with my GPS.
I also included the gpx file of above points.
lot4 scan is a more readable copy of the verbose description of the points.
I have dad looking for the deed info on lot 3 we own that too and i would like to map it as well.
the points i have gps info on are the points on the left of the map. the narrow end of the land. it fans out on the top of the mountain.
Also, please download and install Trimble Planning software:
http://www.trimble.com/planningsoftware_ts.asp
Your start point looks to be in a valley and just marking it might not hive you a real good fix. We are going to want to "Average" the point over time to get the best reading. Trimble Planning will help to determine when to take these readings. Adding a mask from a DEM to Planning will help give the best results.
front markers in calculator
I downloaded the software I am lost after that.
is what we are trying to do take multiple readings at one point over a period of time. then average those together to get a better reading?
does the software just tell when to take the readings?
Yes, the software will show when it is best to take readings.
You gps has an "Average" function when marking waypoints, but Trimble Planning will calculate when the birds are best to take these readings for the best data.
I won't be back in the office with these tools until Monday. Rushing will only give you rushed results. The lot descriptions you posted look very good and you can get decent results with what you have to work with. The terrain will provide a masking effect on available gps birds so this should be factored in. Les wrote a pretty good tutorial on using DEMs to make a mask for Planning with MICRODEM (http://www.usna.edu/Users/oceano/pguth/website/microdem/microdemdown.htm):
http://freegeographytools.com/2007/determining-local-gps-satellite-geometry-effects-on-position-accuracy
http://freegeographytools.com/2007/assessing-terrain-effects-on-gps-accuracy
Almanac downloads (http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=gpsAlmanacs)
I appreciate your help. I will try and read up on all of this tomorrow. I have dad looking for the other deed now. No rush, I am just excited about all of this. I am new to this gps. I have big plans making trail maps after this.
Thanks again
Gary
OK, I've attached some data to get started with:
- Week 661 Almanac as current.alm file, YUMA format
- A DEM file of the area of interest as DEM.dem
- An Obstruction file for Trimble Planning as obs1.txt
First off, you want to get Trimble Planning configured.
Update the Almanac:
- Almanac->Import->YUMA->[Files of type=All files(*.*)]
- Select the current.alm
- Select the OPEN button
Planning will import the current almanac and preset a status window.
Next, you want to program a Station for you reading location:
- File->Station...
- Name the station
- Enter N 37° 07' for Latitude
- Enter W 82° 49' Longitude
- Select the Obstacles button
- Select the Read button
- Select the obs1.txt file
- Select the Open button
- Select the OK button
- Select the Apply button
- Select the OK button
Now lets find out when to take readings:
- Select Lists->Elevation/Azimuth...
- This will open a Hyperpage window.
- Print this page, as it will display the best time to take readings
Note how some of the time windows will be better than others for marking your waypoints. On your GPSMAP62s, you want to use the Average function during the the best time frames presented by Planning.
I may have missed it, but I didn't see any description of how the OP is to turn angles from his corner points. To do that he should know that angles are measured in degrees and minutes from north or south. So North 45D 0M 0S East is 45 degrees compass bearing, but South 45D 0M 0S East is 135 degrees compass bearing, and North 45 D 0M 0S West is 315 degrees compass bearing. :( Sneaky of you Indrid to hide all that in a link.
Quote from: Seldom on April 23, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
I may have missed it, but I didn't see any description of how the OP is to turn angles from his corner points. To do that he should know that angles are measured in degrees and minutes from north or south. So North 45D 0M 0S East is 45 degrees compass bearing, but South 45D 0M 0S East is 135 degrees compass bearing, and North 45 D 0M 0S West is 315 degrees compass bearing. :( Sneaky of you Indrid to hide all that in a link.
this is is over my head.
Quote from: Seldom on April 23, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
I may have missed it, but I didn't see any description of how the OP is to turn angles from his corner points.
Ah, we really aren't at that point just yet. We want to get a real good reading of the start point as all others come from that and errors are cumulative.
OK i got to the page of times to take readings. The best time looks like 19:50 I could possible see 8 birds. That is the only time i can see that many sat.
I may have to wait until Friday or Saturday to take these readings. That is a little late for me to stay up on a work night.
This stuff is pretty interesting. I will look at the times to take readings after work later in the week maybe there will be a earlier time to take readings.
thank you
Quote from: Indrid Cold on April 23, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
First off, you want to get Trimble Planning configured.
Update the Almanac:
- Almanac->Import->YUMA->[Files of type=All files(*.*)]
- Select the current.alm
- Select the OPEN button
Planning will import the current almanac and preset a status window.
Next, you want to program a Station for you reading location:
- File->Station...
- Name the station
- Enter N 37° 07' for Latitude
- Enter W 82° 49' Longitude
- Select the Obstacles button
- Select the Read button
- Select the obs1.txt file
- Select the Open button
- Select the OK button
- Select the Apply button
- Select the OK button
Now lets find out when to take readings:
- Select Lists->Elevation/Azimuth...
- This will open a Hyperpage window.
- Print this page, as it will display the best time to take readings
Note how some of the time windows will be better than others for marking your waypoints. On your GPSMAP62s, you want to use the Average function during the the best time frames presented by Planning.
Yes, those time will vary by the day so be sure to check it daily to plan when to read.
Also, you will want to update the reading date for the station.
- File->Station...
- Change the Start Date (selecting the .. button will get you a calendar)
- (or Select the Today button for today)
- then select the Apply button, then OK button
Quote from: ggilbert on April 23, 2012, 09:40:55 AM
Quote from: Seldom on April 23, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
I may have missed it, but I didn't see any description of how the OP is to turn angles from his corner points. To do that he should know that angles are measured in degrees and minutes from north or south. So North 45D 0M 0S East is 45 degrees compass bearing, but South 45D 0M 0S East is 135 degrees compass bearing, and North 45 D 0M 0S West is 315 degrees compass bearing. :( Sneaky of you Indrid to hide all that in a link.
this is is over my head.
Until Indrid shows you his undoubtedly snazzy way of dealing with this, let me explain that the notation refers to the days when guys were standing in the field with a transit. The transit would be set up over a point on the ground and aligned with a plumb bob. The surveyor would then align the transit to North and South and measure an angle East or West from North or South. Then he'd send some peon like myself out into the poison ivy with a tape following the angle he set with the transit. When I got the required distance away, the surveyor would have me move so that the target on my plumb bob aligned with the cross hairs in the transit telescope. If I was at the right distance, my plumb bob draped over a tape measure would define the next point.