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Title: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 25, 2013, 06:18:26 AM
Hello all,
I would REALLY appreciate help with showing maps on my Garmin Oregon 600.
When I look at the maps stored and then maps I want to show the list is different.
Some topo maps I cannot show.
Is there anyone out there who would be willing to spend a few minutes on the phone with me? This old guy will really appreciate the help.
Thanks
oldbuck
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Seldom on December 25, 2013, 11:25:11 AM
Before anybody can help they will need more info.

Whose maps, from this site or Garmin's, or somewhere else?  We usually only support maps posted on this site, so include links to the maps you are having trouble with.

Do you have BaseCamp installed and do ALL your maps show up in BaseCamp?

Do you have CityNavigator installed on your 600?  To see many maps from this site you may need to disable City Navigator.  Transparent maps (for example, just contours) will show over CityNavigator, but many non-transparent maps will need CityNavigator disabled (not removed from the 600, just turned off).
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 25, 2013, 01:13:07 PM
The maps do appear in base camp, just cannot show them on the GPS. I do not have city navigator loaded.
If you supply an email address I will send a file that shows that I have loaded.
Thanks for your help.
Joe
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Seldom on December 25, 2013, 04:45:30 PM
Can you see them listed on the GPSr, just not visible on the screen?  If so, try disabling all but one and see if you can see it.
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 25, 2013, 05:43:29 PM
Hello,
Please review a screen shot of the files on the gps and also on base camp, see attached. Maybe that would enable you to figure this out for me.
Thanks
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Seldom on December 25, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Not likely I'll be able to figure it out, unless you tell me which, if any of the maps you list are visible on your 600.  Also, is the Topo 2008 a Garmin Product? And, have you tried disabling maps, as I suggested?
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Boyd on December 25, 2013, 10:28:16 PM
FWIW, Topo US 2008 is a Garmin product. The name was changed to Topo US 100k afterward. I always wondered if they just changed the name so that 2008 wouldn't sound obsolete, or if they actually updated the maps.  ;)
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 26, 2013, 03:08:41 AM
reply to #5.
Topo 2008 is Garmin. If by disable you mean choosing only one map on the gps list on, then yes. Please comment on what "disable" means if not what I said. I made a note on the attachment I sent, "Map Files on my Garmin Oregon 600 as viewed via Base Camp softwaree"
Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Seldom on December 26, 2013, 07:45:53 AM
Disable means select only one map at a time to show on the GPSr.  I don't own an OR600, so I can't tell you the key sequence to do that. On your screenshot I saw what BaseCamp lists as present on your 600.  Is that what you can select from on the 600?  If they are all listed then disable all but one, and then see if you can see it individually. 

You'll need to ask Garmin for support on their products.
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Boyd on December 26, 2013, 08:04:26 AM
Note there's a potential "gotcha" with Topo 2008. Maps are divided into small "tiles" and your GPS has a limit of 4000 such tiles. There is no standard tile size, it's up to the mapmaker. The Topo 2008 tiles are very small and there are about 6500 of them if you try to load the entire US.

This would exceed the limit of the GPS, and when you do that, strange things happen (some maps will not be shown). So be careful not to load too much of that map on your Oregon, especially when combining with other maps or you will exceed the segment limit.

I don't use Mapinstall much myself, but I think it will show how many segments you have chosen. Personally I still use Mapsource (Garmin's old software) and it definitely shows the total segments.
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 26, 2013, 08:05:21 AM
Hello,
I only select one map at a time on the Oregon 600(that is all it allows me to do) The Garmin map shows fine, its the maps downloaded from this site that I cannot seem to use, I can see it in Base Camp but not on the GPS. I doubt Garmin will help with that. Thanks again for trying to help!
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Boyd on December 26, 2013, 08:06:59 AM
Something is wrong there. You should definitely be able to choose more than one map to enable at a time (if you want to).

Maybe this will help? http://garminoregon6xx.wikispaces.com
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 26, 2013, 08:18:05 AM
OK....Senior moment here...I can select multiple maps...just checked.

Prob is that maps from this site...the one from PA has more detail than garmin topo 2008, I can see it on base camp but not on the GPS. Sure is frustrating.

The new Oregon 600 is great in all other aspects...except this one. It's very fast and easy to open other windows and do all the things I need to do.

I am a hiker and bow hunter, so far I really like it for those purposes. I hope I can solve this problem (with some help  ha ha)

Thanks
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Boyd on December 26, 2013, 08:22:22 AM
It might help identify the problem if you remove all maps BUT the PA topo. If it works then, you can gradually add more maps until you find what is causing the problem. With the free maps, it's possible that more than one map might contain the same internal ID and that will cause trouble.
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 26, 2013, 08:28:49 AM
Great idea, I will try that as soon as I can figure out how to remove/uninstall the map from gps. Should I use base camp or connectit  to my pc and open file location and delete it?
Thanks
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Boyd on December 26, 2013, 02:14:06 PM
Are you using a memory card or internal memory? Before doing ANYTHING, do a full backup of your Oregon. This could save your a$$ someday if you accidentally delete the wrong thing. Just make a folder on your computer, and drag the entire contents of the Oregon internal memory to it.

Personally, I like to manage maps directly in Windows. Open the Garmin folder on either the card or internal memory and you will see a bunch of files with .img extensions. They should have somewhat descriptive names. Just delete the ones you don't want. Again, do a backup of all these files on your computer FIRST - just in case there's a problem.

But do NOT delete gmapbmap.img, which is the unit's basemap. Do NOT delete gmaptz.img either, it's a timezone map. gmapprom.img should not be deleted either, but you won't have that file unless you are using an Oregon 600t.

Now I'm sure this can all also be done with MapInstall, but someone else will need to explain that since I don't use it.
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 26, 2013, 02:28:33 PM
I removed all maps and the reinstalled Garmin Topo USA 2008 and it opened fine on the Oregon.
I used base camp and it took forever (faster way?)

Now I tried to reinstall a file from gpsfiledepot with basecamp "NE USA Topo Part 1", it says it was successfully loaded BUT it does not show in the list of available maps ??

I looked at was was on the sd card with my pc and it shows that it is there along with other map files that do not show.. see attached.

I read somewhere on this forum an map issue with 64 bit files...have to load a 32 bit file first?? Anyone.....

The only files that are displayed on the Oregon are Worldwide DEM basemap and Topo USA 2008 1,2 & 3...nothing else...HELP
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Seldom on December 26, 2013, 02:48:00 PM
Was Topo USA 2008 installed when you re-installed NE USA Topo Part 1?  If so, try un-installing Topo USA 2008 and installing NE USA Topo Part 1 on its own.  One common cause of maps being listed on the GPSr, but not showing on the GPSr is naming conflicts.  If both map tiles have the same 8 digit name (like 12345678) only one tile will show up.  If that's the case, you'll need to decide if you'd rather have Garmin's Topo USA or the NE USA Topo.  Note that the 8 digit name I mention is NOT something you will be able to see as a map user, it is assigned when the map is compiled.
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Boyd on December 26, 2013, 02:52:27 PM
I don't think your are having the 64 bit map issue. That issue prevents maps from being installed in Basecamp on your computer. If you can view the map in Basecamp (with the dropdown menu), then it was correctly installed.

There is still some confusion about these lists of maps and where they come from. You can take a screenshot of the maps menu on your Oregon, that might help us understand - see: http://garminoregon6xx.wikispaces.com/Setup+-+Display#Setup%20Screen%20Capture

I suggest that you first remove the memory card from the Oregon, then look and see what files are contained in the \Garmin folder on the Oregon 600 internal memory. Again, posting an actual Windows screenshot would be better than copying a list. You can do this with the Snipping Tool in Windows.

As I mentioned earlier, DO NOT install Topo 2008 at this time. ONLY install the PA topo (assuming that's the one you want to use, based on your earlier post). Let's get that map working for you all by itself for starters. Adding other files like Topo 2008 just muddies the water and makes it harder to troubleshoot.

It will also help if the memory card is REMOVED from the Oregon. That way we'll know that the only files you are using are contained in internal memory.
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Boyd on December 26, 2013, 03:01:26 PM
Also.... see my earlier post about the map segment limits and US Topo 2008. The problems you describe sound just like the kind of "weirdness" that happens when you have more than 4000 segments installed on the GPS. Some maps will not appear.

This is why it's important to completely remove Topo 2008 from the GPS in order to troubleshoot the other maps.
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 26, 2013, 03:38:32 PM
Hello all, Thanks for helping me. Attached are the files I see on the SD card and a screen shot showing what the gps says are on it. Don't know why they do not agree. I can remove Garmin Topo USA again as I think the maps from this site run ok then. The reason I wanted the Garmin TOPO as well is that it shows state forest boundaries and the other maps do not.
I will unistall the Garmin topo right now and see what happens. One of the posts said it may be a file name issue, could I not just rename the darn thing?? The sd card is really tiny and hard to remove so if I don't have to do that it would be better for me. (old guy-73)
Will uninstall and get back. Do I have to uninstall with base camp or just go to the sd card via pc and delete the files?? Thanks again folks :)
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 26, 2013, 03:53:37 PM
OK..I uninstalled the Garmin Topo USA and now the maps I downloaded work just fine, If I can find one that shows state forest borders I will be in GPS heaven.

THANKS to all the folks who helped me during this ##!!**&%^ frustrating time....

I will search for a data base that has that info, if anyone knows if it exists please pass it on.

Happy New Year
:)
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: Boyd on December 26, 2013, 04:05:13 PM
I am willing to bet that your issue was having too many map segments due to installing Topo 2008. There should be no problem using that map, but you must just choose a smaller area. This can be done in Mapinstall by only highlighting a smaller area of interest before sending to the GPS.

Glad you got it working. Normally you shouldn't need to remove the memory card, I just thought it could help us localize the problem by removing it from the equation. But it sounds like you will be ok now.  :)
Title: Re: Need help with maps on Oregon 600
Post by: oldbuck on December 26, 2013, 06:16:13 PM
Tomorrow I will try to just add a segment, don't know how to that yet but think I will figure out. Then I can get the state forest boundaries I need.
Thanks to all